Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by WickedWiccan at 2:39 am on June 30, 2009 This is longish but I want to say it. It upsets me that parents treat teenagers as though we were still children. I think this happens with guys and girls, but it's even worse with girls. You are told what you can and can't wear, and even if they don't stop you from wearing it they complain so much about it that it ends up stressing you. You can't get tattoos or piercings without getting an earful, and sometimes even talking about getting them is a huge crisis at home. They think they know what's best for you all the time and pass judgment on who you can or cannot date. They expect you to act responsibly but they don't let you make all the decisions that are about yourself and only yourself. They give you a curfew and if you're not back by that time you could get grounded. That basically means that you are a prisoner in your own house. Only it's not really your house because you don't decide any of the important things that happen in it. They can decide to take your cell phone, camera, or computer away if they think you don't deserve to have the right to use them. I think that's the same as if they told a 6-year old that they can't have ice cream because they were bad. You have no rights! They don't think you have the right to decide when you want to have sex and with whom because they say you don't have the psychological and emotional maturity to make those decisions. To me that really means that they think your brain is underdeveloped and that you have an inferior intellect. I think that if parents want us to act responsibly they have to let us make our own decisions and not the decisions they want us to make. If you screw up really bad you learn not to do something again. But sometimes you do things only because you know they don't want you to do them and that's not a good thing to do. Sometimes you make good decisions but have to do things so that they don't find out and everything feels wrong because it has to be a secret. I haven't had sex yet. The only reason why I haven't had sex yet is because I've decided not to. But if I decide to have sex with anyone it should be my decision and I shouldn't have to consult it with anybody else except the person I'm going to have sex with. Children can't make that decision but teens know what sex is and even what the consequences could be. Even if a teen says yes to sex the other person could get into a lot of trouble because they see you as a child who is an idiot who can't say yes, even if nobody forced you. Having sex as a teen should only be illegal if you are raped or if you rape somebody else. Making it illegal forces anybody to have to do it in secret and make a lot of mistakes they wouldn't make if they could be open about it. I know that not all "adults" make the right decisions about their jobs, spending, or sex but nobody thinks they should be grounded or lose the right to the car for screwing up. No. They call that life experiences. But some of them act just as stupidly as they think we do. They say we can't make decisions because we have no life experience but, how are we supposed to get experiences if they don't let us HAVE experiences? That's it. I'm done. -- Posted by gloomygurl at 2:41 am on June 30, 2009 you are 13 arent you? -- Posted by SAMMYJS99 at 2:42 am on June 30, 2009 it is ironic is it??? that "parents" had the same basic rights to explore their world in their day, even if THEIR parents did not like it. YET, "parents" now have kids and are denying them the same rights as they had when they were young. I guess some people have forgotten that this is the 21st century - NOT the 1960's -- Posted by Placebo Effect at 2:44 am on June 30, 2009 Teens are children. They do need to have a right of opinion and choice. But regardless teens are still children. And when you become an adult you'll see why. -- Posted by nikki at 2:49 am on June 30, 2009 Whilst you live at home with your parents, you've gotta live by their rules. -- Posted by Awesome10 at 2:50 am on June 30, 2009 I disagree with some of your post although i agree with the age of consent rant. The age of consent needs to be changed, it doesn't have much to do with age but more to do with maturity of the person in question. -- Posted by SAMMYJS99 at 2:52 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from nikki at 5:49 am on June 30, 2009 Whilst you live at home with your parents, you've gotta live by their rules. who says some1 has to be a prisoner in 1's house??? -- Posted by Bearsy at 2:54 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from Placebo Effect at 2:44 am on June 30, 2009 Teens are children.   They do need to have a right of opinion and choice. But regardless teens are still children.   And when you become an adult you'll see why. would you consider 18 to be a teen? EDIT: At OP, lol @ this sentence: "Having sex as a teen should only be illegal if you are raped or if you rape somebody else." It should be a crime to be raped, or people who've been raped shouldn't be allowed to have sex afterwards? -- Posted by revived5656 at 2:55 am on June 30, 2009 we are adults. -- Posted by Placebo Effect at 3:01 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from awesome10 at 2:50 am on June 30, 2009 I disagree with some of your post although i agree with the age of consent rant.   The age of consent needs to be changed, it doesn't have much to do with age but more to do with maturity of the person in question. " They don't think you have the right to decide when you want to have sex and with whom because they say you don't have the psychological and emotional maturity to make those decisions. To me that really means that they think your brain is underdeveloped and that you have an inferior intellect. " Both wrong. Its not that parents want you to wait cuz they think you are stupid or can't handle it psychological. Its the repercussions of your actions you dont fully understand. While you are underage, you do not have the responsibility of life. You dont even have to buy your own clothes or food. How is it ok to put the responsibility of sex/baby in your own hands. Lord knows you can't handle it. No matter how strong or responsible you thin k you are. You're not. You would in no way be able to handle a baby. The bills. And the responsibility of life. That's why you must grow up and learn how to. All you know how to do is go to school and do homework. Awesome keep it up. You need skills and a path before you can take matters into your own hands. Would you want to have a child one day and have them tell you that they know it all. That they are able to have sex and go out and make their own curfew. When you are their parent  Its you rules. You wouldnt want to have to pay for your child's mistake because they couldn't listen to you.   As far as tattoos and piercings. No again. They want you to understand that one day you will feel different. You just will. You will wonder why you ever stuck a piece of metal through your body or ever got that tattoo of a star on your hip. etc. etc. The rules are their for you to understand that you cant break them. Real life has the same rules. In a round about way. You need to understand if you break their rules there will be consequences as in the real world. Everything they do is to prepare you. You have no idea. And the day you realize why they do what they do, You'll be like "ohhhhhhhhhhh". It will be a good day. -- Posted by nikki at 3:02 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from SAMMYJS99 at 10:52 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from nikki at 5:49 am on June 30, 2009 Whilst you live at home with your parents, you've gotta live by their rules. who says some1 has to be a prisoner in 1's house??? Being a prisoner =/= living by your parents rules. -- Posted by Bearsy at 3:03 am on June 30, 2009 just because you'll come to dislike something later on doesn't mean it's not worth it that's like saying why eat a piece of cake, it'll be gone in a couple minutes you can enjoy it for that time though piercing jewelery can simply be taken out -- Posted by Bearsy at 3:04 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from nikki at 3:02 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from SAMMYJS99 at 10:52 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from nikki at 5:49 am on June 30, 2009 Whilst you live at home with your parents, you've gotta live by their rules.    who says some1 has to be a prisoner in 1's house??? Being a prisoner =/= living by your parents rules. Actually, minors today haves less rights than convicted felons. -- Posted by nikki at 3:05 am on June 30, 2009 Actually, minors today haves less rights than convicted felons. What rights should minors have which they don't have already? -- Posted by Placebo Effect at 3:06 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from cum at 2:54 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from Placebo Effect at 2:44 am on June 30, 2009 Teens are children. They do need to have a right of opinion and choice. But regardless teens are still children. And when you become an adult you'll see why. would you consider 18 to be a teen? EDIT: At OP, lol @ this sentence: "Having sex as a teen should only be illegal if you are raped or if you rape somebody else." It should be a crime to be raped, or people who've been raped shouldn't be allowed to have sex afterwards? In a way. But being an adult is really something in life that is proved upon experience. The only reason why 18 is an adult is because usually by then you are starting real life and have already learned the basics. Definitely not all 18 yr olds. But around that time is when you're suppose to.   -- Posted by Placebo Effect at 3:08 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from cum at 3:03 am on June 30, 2009 just because you'll come to dislike something later on doesn't mean it's not worth it that's like saying why eat a piece of cake, it'll be gone in a couple minutes you can enjoy it for that time though piercing jewelery can simply be taken out Yes I know. I have had like 7 piercing all before the age of 18, I have none now. Yet i have 4 tattoos which i love and honestly I am glad that i had to wait. If i got certain tattoos I wanted as a child/teen I would be kicking myself in the ass. -- Posted by Bearsy at 3:09 am on June 30, 2009 How old are you now? You might regret that all in 20 years when your skin is saggy, you shouldn't have been allowed to get them. -- Posted by Bearsy at 3:10 am on June 30, 2009 although I do love when people in their early 20's act like they have a huge intellectual superiority over all teenagers -- Posted by Placebo Effect at 3:20 am on June 30, 2009 Ok then. -- Posted by Bearsy at 3:22 am on June 30, 2009 lol non-response -- Posted by WickedWiccan at 3:24 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from Placebo Effect at 6:01 am on June 30, 2009 Its not that parents want you to wait cuz they think you are stupid or can't handle it psychological. Its the repercussions of your actions you dont fully understand.   While you are underage, you do not have the responsibility of life. You dont even have to buy your own clothes or food. How is it ok to put the responsibility of sex/baby in your own hands. Lord knows you can't handle it. No matter how strong or responsible you thin k you are. You're not.   You would in no way be able to handle a baby. The bills. And the responsibility of life. That's why you must grow up and learn how to. All you know how to do is go to school and do homework. Awesome keep it up.   You need skills and a path before you can take matters into your own hands. Would you want to have a child one day and have them tell you that they know it all. That they are able to have sex and go out and make their own curfew. When you are their parent Its you rules. You wouldnt want to have to pay for your child's mistake because they couldn't listen to you. As far as tattoos and piercings. No again. They want you to understand that one day you will feel different. You just will. You will wonder why you ever stuck a piece of metal through your body or ever got that tattoo of a star on your hip. etc. etc.   The rules are their for you to understand that you cant break them. Real life has the same rules. In a round about way. You need to understand if you break their rules there will be consequences as in the real world.   Everything they do is to prepare you. You have no idea. And the day you realize why they do what they do, You'll be like "ohhhhhhhhhhh". It will be a good day.   Prepare me? How? If you don't get responsibility and control over your decisions, how are you supposed to all of a sudden KNOW how to be responsible when you reach whatever age your country or state says you have to be to be considered an "adult"? Are you supposed to have all those skills and know which path is best by magic? Just because you reached a certain age? And who decided what the magic age is when you become a "grown up"? When you get to driving age, are you supposed to know how to drive a car if you've never driven one before? You can learn how the car works and what the rules are, but if you've never been behind the wheel and actually experienced what it's like you will crash and die or end up killing someone else. I think it's funny that you think tattoos and piercings are a stupid mistake when you are covered by them. You mean you only got them AFTER you were a "responsible adult"? I said that the only reason why I haven't had sex is because I have decided not to yet. As for having a baby, who told you I'd want one? Who says the only reason for having sex is to have babies? And who says all adults who do have children and CAN pay for them know what to do with them or hoe to raise them once they have them? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Because they reached that "magic" and arbitrary age when society tells them they have all the skills they need to do it. I agree that following certain rules while you live with your parents is fair. Because they do feed me and provide me with clothes, and other things. That's the same as having a job. Because they pay you you have to follow certain rules, but that doesn't mean that they own you or have the right to tell me how to behave when I'm not working. -- Posted by WickedWiccan at 3:27 am on June 30, 2009 Oh, by the way. My sentence on rape being illegal didn't mean that you won't be allowed to have sex anymore if you are raped. I meant that forcing you should be illegal but if somebody says "yes" voluntarily it is NOT rape and should not be illegal. -- Posted by Placebo Effect at 3:47 am on June 30, 2009 Okay let me try to do this here. One. Being an adult is not an age. Its a state of mind. Knowing how to deal. Knowing how to work well with others and live life. I.e. Pay for your house/apartment. Pay for car. Have a full time job and maintain it. Not get into trouble with the law. Be able to make good decisions on your own and be able to handle the consequences of actions. plus many more things. Lets say they tell you to be home at 9pm. And you want to be home at ten. They dont lean. So you're stuck with 9. But you say fuck it and come home at 10/11. You get grounded. Cause and effect. They tell you to be home at 9, cuz it a reasonable time. Not to make it so you cant have fun, but to give you guidelines to follow so that you will be home safe. Driving a car come with drivers ed and training. After you get your d.l. That system works fine. To say that, that is a comparable thing (being behind the wheel) to making your own decisions. Its not. If you were to crash. Who would be responsible? NOT YOU. Your parents. So if you're out at night and get into trouble (though you may not) whos responsibility is it? Again theirs. If you have sex and love doing. Everything is fine. But what if, WHAT IF you get pregnant. NO. All adults who have children can't pay for them, furthermore raise them. Its shit. They shouldnt have them. You dont even understand your parents parenting, let alone being able to parent. Its a just in case. so damn, sue em for wanting to protect you against a mistake that on accident could happen. And no. I love my tattoos. And turning 18 did not make me all of a sudden smarter. It just prevented me from being able to get them while be younger. Again from making a mistake. 18 doesnt mean you're an adult. Learning the lessons they try to teach you and showing them that you understand why. You are arguing against them. yeah some may seem hard but how is it not their right to be in control. They had you. With out them you wouldnt even be here. And if you dont like it, you just have to wait. Then you can be free. It sucks if they dont slowly give you more and more freedom to ease you into the real world. To ease you into making your own decisions. With every growing age, your curfew should be raised an hour. And with every growing month of proving to them that you can be responsible then they should give you some slack. If they dont that sucks. -- Posted by Dyreft at 7:25 am on June 30, 2009 Until you are 18 or whenever you leave your parents house and no longer depend on them for ANYTHING. You are still considered a CHILD. -- Posted by Takinam at 7:54 am on June 30, 2009 As long as you live under my roof, you do whatever the fuck I say. - My Mom Deal with it, OP, or get the fuck out. If I ever have a daughter and she talks shit to me, I'll knee her in the face and remind her that she can leave my fucking house at any time. My parents did that to me this year (minus the knee; she threw a chair and I dodged)! It 'll be like this.. " Daddy, can I wear this top?" " I don't want you looking like a whore. I raised you to be a doctor, not a whore. Get something else. " " But daddy..I have a date.." " And if you put on that top, you'll go on your date and I'll lock that door, and your shit will be outside waiting for you, k? Good, problem solved. *reads newspaper* Oh, and be back at 9, you have piano lessons. " " But..but..daddy.." "Shut your fucking mouth. Go before I regret your existence as my child. And wear your chastity belt. " -- Posted by SAMMYJS99 at 8:10 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from Takinam at 10:54 am on June 30, 2009 As long as you live under my roof, you do whatever the fuck I say. - My Mom Deal with it, OP, or get the fuck out. If I ever have a daughter and she talks shit to me, I'll knee her in the face and remind her that she can leave my fucking house at any time. My parents did that to me this year (minus the knee; she threw a chair and I dodged)! It 'll be like this.. " Daddy, can I wear this top?" " I don't want you looking like a whore. I raised you to be a doctor, not a whore. Get something else. " " But daddy..I have a date.." " And if you put on that top, you'll go on your date and I'll lock that door, and your shit will be outside waiting for you, k? Good, problem solved. *reads newspaper* Oh, and be back at 9, you have piano lessons. " " But..but..daddy.." "Shut your fucking mouth. Go before I regret your existence as my child. And wear your chastity belt. " AND THE ARGUMENT CONTINUES....... As will smith said it best, "parent just don't understand". -- Posted by Dyreft at 9:45 am on June 30, 2009 Parents understand just fine. If you want to be a slut, whore or some other thing you can do it. Just don't expect your parents to ever like you or look at you same again. Hell if you were my kid I'd throw you out on the streets and never let you back in. -- Posted by SAMMYJS99 at 11:51 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from Dyreft at 12:45 pm on June 30, 2009 Hell if you were my kid I'd throw you out on the streets and never let you back in. AS LONG AS THEY ARE UNDER 18, if you were to do that, then you have 1 of 2 options: either A. let your kid back in and spare yourself going to jail, or B. deal with being behind bars. -- Posted by sakurag at 12:26 pm on June 30, 2009 You're a child, that's the way it is.  Just because you think you know better, and come up with a billion reasons why you should get whatever you want, you'll always be wrong. This isn't about maturity, is it?  It's about your parents not doing or agreeing with your actions.  Plain and simple...  None of their 'rules' you've mentioned are unreasonable.. maybe you're intolerant. -- Posted by WickedWiccan at 4:40 pm on June 30, 2009 Quote: from sakurag at 3:26 pm on June 30, 2009 You're a child, that's the way it is.  Just because you think you know better, and come up with a billion reasons why you should get whatever you want, you'll always be wrong.   This isn't about maturity, is it?  It's about your parents not doing or agreeing with your actions.  Plain and simple...  None of their 'rules' you've mentioned are unreasonable.. maybe you're intolerant. I'm not intolerant, they are. And I'm not a child, I'm a teenager. Childhood and Teenage are two very different stages in a person's life. That's why there are different names for both, because both are VERY different. I don't expect to be treated as an adult because legally and chronologically I'm not. I understand that. But because I'm not a child I expect not to be treated as one. This is not about maturity as much as the perception of maturity. Adults think they are mature simply because they are adults. That's not always true. Teenagers are not always immature and irresponsible simply because we are teenagers either. To the poster who said "if you want to be a whore," when did I say that I wanted to be one? I haven't had sex and don't plan on having it any time soon either. Even if I did, I do not want a baby. Not because I am immature and have no way of dealing with it, but because it's a choice. Just as adults decide when they want and don't want to have children. Parents have no right whatsoever to treat a teenager as if they own him or her, period. Forcing anybody to do whatever you say just because you have the legal power to do it isn't teaching and it's not appreciated. And when it comes to adult not being a specific age, as someone said above, the fact is that it IS about age. It's an arbitrary age. And that age does not guarantee that all of a sudden you are this mature, responsible, and wise human being. eightTEEN and nineTEEN are still teens, but all of a sudden, because someone decided it you are now seen as able to make your own decisions. The ONLY reason why eighteen-year olds are considered "adults" is because of wars. You have the right to join the army and kill others. That is ALL that being an adult at eighTEEN is all about. That means that the government thinks you are good enough to kill other people, but not old enough to smoke or sign contracts in some states. So in a way you are still not responsible enough to make those decisions? Who makes these decisions and how do they make sense? Pages: 1 2  Next