-- Posted by ElephantStone at 6:09 am on July 3, 2009 ...once the Taliban are all but finished in Afghanistan and US and British troops are withdrawn from that entire theatre of war, British involvement will largely be forgotten by the Americans and it will suddenly become America's war in the Middle East that they won with brains, guts and solid American determination. Does this resonate with anyone else's crystal ball? They do say history repeats itself. -- Posted by audibleSIN at 6:10 am on July 3, 2009 OIC. -- Posted by ibanez at 6:11 am on July 3, 2009 It resonates so much that my crystal ball blew up. -- Posted by twiikz at 6:11 am on July 3, 2009 Your prob right.... -- Posted by Manipulative Acid at 6:11 am on July 3, 2009 Haha, yep! My awesome Comet 260 crystal ball tells me the exact same thing, but with detail. I'm going to get a Firebolt Crystal Ball soon, so it'll tell me EXACTLY whats going to happen. -- Posted by justscott at 6:11 am on July 3, 2009 NO!!!    LONG live the Queen! -- Posted by marshmellowman at 6:11 am on July 3, 2009 Haha, it's like how they seem to think they were so involved with WWII. Both Saving Private Ryan and The Great Escape seem to exaggerate the US involvement in WWII. -- Posted by Manipulative Acid at 6:12 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from marshmellowman at 2:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Haha, it's like how they seem to think they were so involved with WWII. Both Saving Private Ryan and The Great Escape seem to exaggerate the US involvement in WWII. Lol yeah. -- Posted by twiikz at 6:14 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from marshmellowman at 2:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Haha, it's like how they seem to think they were so involved with WWII. Both Saving Private Ryan and The Great Escape seem to exaggerate the US involvement in WWII. I was going to mention that.... but thought it would start an arguement.... lol but it's true :) -- Posted by dilly62301 at 6:15 am on July 3, 2009 This is the brit  section i guess  cutting down americans again -- Posted by ElephantStone at 6:36 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from marshmellowman at 2:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Haha, it's like how they seem to think they were so involved with WWII. Both Saving Private Ryan and The Great Escape seem to exaggerate the US involvement in WWII. Don't even mention the Pacific theatre of WW2. Apparently America single handedly beat the Japs. -- Posted by 0h h3ll n0 at 6:40 am on July 3, 2009 Yes. I can see this happening. -- Posted by Dexter Ward at 8:36 am on July 3, 2009 I also see America somehow entering another war that it doesn't need to get into. -- Posted by Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII... -- Posted by Elm at 10:11 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII... I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe.  Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree. That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own. -- Posted by ElephantStone at 10:52 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 6:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII... I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe. Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree. That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own. I think its quite widely known that American greatly exaggerate their role in WW2. Now, return to topic discussion. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 11:00 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:52 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 6:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII...    I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe.  Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree.    That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own. I think its quite widely known that American greatly exaggerate their role in WW2. Now, return to topic discussion. How would WW2 have turned out had America stayed out of it? It seem to me that the topic discussion is about America being so "self important". And you did include the statement, "They do say history repeats itself." In bold letters. Is that not an invitation to discuss that history? -- Posted by dm13 at 11:09 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:52 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 6:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII...    I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe.  Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree.    That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own. I think its quite widely known that American greatly exaggerate their role in WW2. Now, return to topic discussion. Describe the UK's role in WW2. Don't be afraid to use the term 'damsel in distress' -- Posted by ElephantStone at 11:27 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:00 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:52 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 6:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII...   I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe. Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree.   That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own.    I think its quite widely known that American greatly exaggerate their role in WW2.    Now, return to topic discussion. How would WW2 have turned out had America stayed out of it?   It seem to me that the topic discussion is about America being so "self important". And you did include the statement, "They do say history repeats itself." In bold letters. Is that not an invitation to discuss that history? Nobody said that American involvement wasn't necessary in WW2. However British troops did storm 2 beaches on D Day and yet who's state leader wasn't invited? Few Americans seem to be aware of that fact, and I'm sure that many are unaware that along with the 10,000 US marines that stormed the Helmand Province yesterday are 8,300 of our troops. Thirdly no British person here has disagreed with me, the general consensus being that you guys take far too much credit for your role. -- Posted by Elm at 11:35 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:52 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 6:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII...    I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe.  Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree.    That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own. I think its quite widely known that American greatly exaggerate their role in WW2. Now, return to topic discussion. Widely believed within the circles you travel.  Yes.  That was my point. -- Posted by ElephantStone at 12:06 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 7:35 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:52 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 6:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII...   I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe. Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree.   That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own.    I think its quite widely known that American greatly exaggerate their role in WW2.    Now, return to topic discussion. Widely believed within the circles you travel. Yes. That was my point. haha, as opposed to living in the US -- Posted by Forever Angel at 12:08 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 1:27 pm on July 3, 2009 However British troops did storm 2 beaches on D Day and yet who's state leader wasn't invited? Few Americans seem to be aware of that fact, and I'm sure that many are unaware that along with the 10,000 US marines that stormed the Helmand Province yesterday are 8,300 of our troops. Thirdly no British person here has disagreed with me, the general consensus being that you guys take far too much credit for your role. I did know of that slight, but I didn't dig into who was on the invitation committee. I haven't heard about 10,000 Marines or how many British troops there are. The number of Marines has been reported as 4000. And would you really expect any serious disagreement from the British posters? -- Posted by Elm at 12:09 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:06 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 7:35 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:52 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Elm at 6:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Defenestrator at 10:08 am on July 3, 2009 Wow, someone is a little ungrateful for us saving their ass in WWII...       I think there is more truth in his statement than you would like to believe.  Americans tend to be amero-centric and self-indulged to a great degree.       That being said Europeans tend to greatly dismiss America's effect on WWII and embellish their own.   I think its quite widely known that American greatly exaggerate their role in WW2.   Now, return to topic discussion.    Widely believed within the circles you travel.  Yes.  That was my point.     haha, as opposed to living in the US I said most Europeans routinely understate the US involvement and impact.  You're in the UK, your circle of friends are European.  You've verified my statement with yours. History doesn't know borders.  If we hadn't supplied England and Russia with the fruit of our production neither would have lasted against the assault.  The tanks and arms supplied to Russia allowed the eastern front to offer grinding resistence at Stalingrad and be a turning point in the war. Most areas of Russian production were overrun and without the Eastern Front allowing over 70% of Germany forces to be engaged attacking Fortress Europe wouldn't have been possible regardless of what country landed at what beach. -- Posted by ElephantStone at 12:16 pm on July 3, 2009 nobodies saying that wasn't necessary. what we're saying is you guys act like you single handedly won the war. -- Posted by Elm at 12:23 pm on July 3, 2009 Some Americans likely, but I don't think its a cultural phenominon other than that knowledge of history is not given what I believe should be its due respect. Certainly the historical context has nothing to do with whom France invited to the anniversary celebration of D-Day though I do believe they made a gross mistake in not inviting the head of state who was actually present and active at the time. -- Posted by ElephantStone at 12:38 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:08 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 1:27 pm on July 3, 2009 However British troops did storm 2 beaches on D Day and yet who's state leader wasn't invited?    Few Americans seem to be aware of that fact, and I'm sure that many are unaware that along with the 10,000 US marines that stormed the Helmand Province yesterday are 8,300 of our troops.    Thirdly no British person here has disagreed with me, the general consensus being that you guys take far too much credit for your role. I did know of that slight, but I didn't dig into who was on the invitation committee.   I haven't heard about 10,000 Marines or how many British troops there are. The number of Marines has been reported as 4000.   And would you really expect any serious disagreement from the British posters? Todays Times reports 10,000 marines in Helmand. There isn't exactly a consensus of disagreement among the american posters either, theres hundreds more americans here, and a minority with any input. -- Posted by dm13 at 12:41 pm on July 3, 2009 Even scarier than America's nonexistent exaggerating of its involvement in WW2 is Europe's distorted view of the majority of Americans today. -- Posted by The Samsoniteman at 3:33 pm on July 3, 2009 Yes, except the Taliban will never be removed from Afghanistan. The most that could happe is that it's replaced by another nationalist group who may or may not be any better for the population.