Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Moridin at 3:59 am on July 4, 2009 http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2009/07/02/10004621-ap.html TORRINGTON, Connecticut - A group of teenagers misunderstood a woman's screams during sex and, thinking they were stopping an assault, beat a 25-year-old man in her bedroom, police said. A 16-year-old girl who lives in the same home as the 34-year-old woman overheard her and the man on June 6 and rounded up four friends to stop what they thought was an attack, police Lt. Bruce Whiteley said Thursday. One of the five teens beat the man with a bat and others punched him, police said. The man was treated at a hospital for injuries that were not life-threatening, and was released that night. "Apparently he didn't have time to explain himself," Whiteley said. Maybe if their religious culture had allowed some minor sex education, this would not have happened. I mean, seriously, how can you get pleasure sounds confused with sounds of despair? Do you think it is right that we deny basic knowledge to young people about sex because of the fear that they might go against the values of their religious culture? Doesn't knowledge enable you to make smarter decisions? Or is knowledge a threat to the dogmatic religious values of the American culture? -- Posted by DuBBy at 4:00 am on July 4, 2009 Bahaha Oh silly teens these day... WIN! -- Posted by jsia at 4:02 am on July 4, 2009 I agreed with every word you just said Moridin...no knowledge is more dangerous than too much I think. -- Posted by da bears at 4:05 am on July 4, 2009 ahaaaaa -- Posted by gief at 4:07 am on July 4, 2009 come on man, these punks are probably out having sex themselves, in between jerking off to internet porn. we dont need to have a fucking moaning tutorial in a 9th grade health class. lots of different people sound lots of different ways when they have sex, never mind peoples fetishes. obviously honest mistake, not due to lack of "moaning education." and as always, get over yourself. -- Posted by Moridin at 6:34 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from gief at 2:07 pm on July 4, 2009 come on man, these punks are probably out having sex themselves, in between jerking off to internet porn. we dont need to have a fucking moaning tutorial in a 9th grade health class. lots of different people sound lots of different ways when they have sex, never mind peoples fetishes. obviously honest mistake, not due to lack of "moaning education." and as always, get over yourself. How can you honestly confuse the two sounds? How is a proper sexual education class a bad thing? And what on earth does this have to do with me personally? -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 7:08 am on July 4, 2009 I highly doubt that even the most educated teens have had sex good enough to elicit screaming, and as we have no idea what kind of screams the woman was making (not to mention no idea if the kids weren't just being assholes and beating this guy for no good reason but telling people that they thought the woman was being attacked), there's really no reason to jump to the conclusion that it's a lack of sex education that's the culprit here. Now, if you were to find a companion article stating that Torrington, CT has abstinence-only education, you might be able to build a case. Or, if you were to find a companion article that said anything about the religion of any of these teenagers, you might have a little bit less of a case. Right now, though? You do not have a case, particularly as Connecticut is one of the most liberal states in the country and it's highly unlikely that these teens' sex education was lacking. (I'd also add as an aside that if you think that screams of pleasure can't ever sound like screams of terror, I'd call you a bit naive) -- Posted by Moridin at 7:26 am on July 4, 2009 Pretty much all of the United States has abstinence only indoctrin.... I mean "education". You also contradict yourself when stating that "I highly doubt that even the most educated teens have had sex good enough to elicit screamin" and then stating the complete opposite "(I'd also add as an aside that if you think that screams of pleasure can't ever sound like screams of terror, I'd call you a bit naive)". -- Posted by Effigy at 7:33 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 7:08 am on July 4, 2009 I highly doubt that even the most educated teens have had sex good enough to elicit screaming, and as we have no idea what kind of screams the woman was making (not to mention no idea if the kids weren't just being assholes and beating this guy for no good reason but telling people that they thought the woman was being attacked), there's really no reason to jump to the conclusion that it's a lack of sex education that's the culprit here.   Now, if you were to find a companion article stating that Torrington, CT has abstinence-only education, you might be able to build a case. Or, if you were to find a companion article that said anything about the religion of any of these teenagers, you might have a little bit less of a case. Right now, though? You do not have a case, particularly as Connecticut is one of the most liberal states in the country and it's highly unlikely that these teens' sex education was lacking. (I'd also add as an aside that if you think that screams of pleasure can't ever sound like screams of terror, I'd call you a bit naive) Don't take it too seriously, it's basically just a fun aside he's pulled off Pharyngula. click here. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 7:51 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 10:26 am on July 4, 2009 Pretty much all of the United States has abstinence only indoctrin.... I mean "education". You also contradict yourself when stating that "I highly doubt that even the most educated teens have had sex good enough to elicit screamin" and then stating the complete opposite "(I'd also add as an aside that if you think that screams of pleasure can't ever sound like screams of terror, I'd call you a bit naive)". ...no it doesn't. Where are you getting that statistic? From up your ass? And actually, that wasn't a contradiction at all. The teens probably hadn't had sex good enough to elicit screaming and were naive enough to think that the screams of pleasure they heard were screams of terror, not knowing that the two can often sound exactly alike. Grasping at straws: ur doin it rite. -- Posted by da bears at 8:28 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 7:26 am on July 4, 2009 Pretty much all of the United States has abstinence only indoctrin.... I mean "education". Not at all. -- Posted by TigressaLynnMae at 8:32 am on July 4, 2009 I mean, seriously, how can you get pleasure sounds confused with sounds of despair? Easily, actually. Have you ever heard of rough sex? It involves sounds of despair, of sorts. Sometimes, it sounds like the person is in pain, but really, they're having quite the pleasurable time. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 8:36 am on July 4, 2009 Moridin will use any excuse, no matter how ridiculous and far fetched, to put down religion. Even if he has to make up something that's not a part of the story. -- Posted by Kaijuu at 8:41 am on July 4, 2009 It must have sounded like she was in pain. everyone makes different sounds. And kids dont need to know all the graphic details about sex. They can find that out later on their owwn. -- Posted by gief at 11:52 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 9:34 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from gief at 2:07 pm on July 4, 2009 come on man, these punks are probably out having sex themselves, in between jerking off to internet porn. we dont need to have a fucking moaning tutorial in a 9th grade health class. lots of different people sound lots of different ways when they have sex, never mind peoples fetishes. obviously honest mistake, not due to lack of "moaning education." and as always, get over yourself. How can you honestly confuse the two sounds? How is a proper sexual education class a bad thing? And what on earth does this have to do with me personally? screaming is screaming, some girls have different pitches in there screams so it could sound like she is hurting, and not experiencing pleasure. proper sexual education isnt a bad thing, playing sounds of women having sex for a bunch of teenage boys in class with teenage girls is. and its personal because its another pathetic attempt by you to go on a self righteous crusade with a really lame example of why we need more than what we already have. -- Posted by da bears at 3:01 pm on July 4, 2009 anyway IMO what er suggested is right. They just wanted to beat the guy up when they found an excuse for it. Yeah it's just a guess but I have a feeling -- Posted by Moridin at 3:19 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from gief at 9:52 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 9:34 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from gief at 2:07 pm on July 4, 2009 come on man, these punks are probably out having sex themselves, in between jerking off to internet porn. we dont need to have a fucking moaning tutorial in a 9th grade health class. lots of different people sound lots of different ways when they have sex, never mind peoples fetishes. obviously honest mistake, not due to lack of "moaning education." and as always, get over yourself.    How can you honestly confuse the two sounds? How is a proper sexual education class a bad thing? And what on earth does this have to do with me personally?   screaming is screaming, some girls have different pitches in there screams so it could sound like she is hurting, and not experiencing pleasure. proper sexual education isnt a bad thing, playing sounds of women having sex for a bunch of teenage boys in class with teenage girls is. and its personal because its another pathetic attempt by you to go on a self righteous crusade with a really lame example of why we need more than what we already have. But the United States does not have proper sexual education. If they did, the United States would not have an epidemic of STDs or teenage pregnancies. The Netherlands for instance, is very secular and has good sexual education and they do not suffer from these things anywhere near what the United States does. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 3:57 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 5:19 pm on July 4, 2009 The Netherlands for instance, is very secular and has good sexual education and they do not suffer from these things anywhere near what the United States does. What are "these things"? Beating up people when they hear screams? -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 8:47 pm on July 4, 2009 Just a point that hasn't been mentioned yet, but I can't imagine a sex education class that was devoted to the different noises people make when coming. Granted, such a class would be hilarious and amazing, but I can't imagine that it would exist, strictly because it would be hilarious and amazing. Also point that high pregnancy rates and STD rates likely have more to do with the fact that teenagers (esp. American teenagers) are stupid and hold the belief that "it could never happen to me." This is more to do with the fact that American parents have become extremely retarded in the raising of their children than the quality of sex education. -- Posted by TheOtherHorseman at 9:51 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:47 pm on July 4, 2009 Just a point that hasn't been mentioned yet, but I can't imagine a sex education class that was devoted to the different noises people make when coming. Granted, such a class would be hilarious and amazing, but I can't imagine that it would exist, strictly because it would be hilarious and amazing. Also point that high pregnancy rates and STD rates likely have more to do with the fact that teenagers (esp. American teenagers) are stupid and hold the belief that "it could never happen to me." This is more to do with the fact that American parents have become extremely retarded in the raising of their children than the quality of sex education. Are you suggesting that perhaps Moridin posted a story with only the barest tangential connection to the point he wished to make, in a sense gleefully engaging in intellectual dishonestly as long as it furthered his agenda, the ideological equivalent of a creationist? How uncharacteristic. -- Posted by Aristocrat at 10:32 pm on July 4, 2009 How loud was she?  A screaming of terror rather than a moaning of pleasure! LOl This guy is taking advantage of this piece of news in order to ridicule religions to promote his atheistic agenda.  Nevertheless, the article was indeed funny and thanks for sharing! -- Posted by King Kong at 2:20 am on July 5, 2009 o god.  I was thinking, how can this be about religion. but I was wrong. you found away. 1. there is sex education in school. it involves learning about safe sex ect 2. what do you want, porn in school? I'm telling you. religion or no religion, that will not go down well. 3. ok, how do you teach the difference in screaming of pleasure or terror in school? why should they do that in the first place, as this is a unique incident. one could say, the boys could have done a good thing, if this was domestic abuse that is. how many times has domestic abuse been ignored? -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 4:39 am on July 5, 2009 Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 12:51 am on July 5, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:47 pm on July 4, 2009 Just a point that hasn't been mentioned yet, but I can't imagine a sex education class that was devoted to the different noises people make when coming. Granted, such a class would be hilarious and amazing, but I can't imagine that it would exist, strictly because it would be hilarious and amazing.    Also point that high pregnancy rates and STD rates likely have more to do with the fact that teenagers (esp. American teenagers) are stupid and hold the belief that "it could never happen to me." This is more to do with the fact that American parents have become extremely retarded in the raising of their children than the quality of sex education. Are you suggesting that perhaps Moridin posted a story with only the barest tangential connection to the point he wished to make, in a sense gleefully engaging in intellectual dishonestly as long as it furthered his agenda, the ideological equivalent of a creationist? How uncharacteristic. I know, isn't it just plain bizarre? -- Posted by Blackadder at 1:07 pm on July 5, 2009 Come on Moridin...   this is a highly unconvincing co-relation. give up and know when you are beat. -- Posted by Natsy at 1:16 pm on July 5, 2009 I would get the two confused when I was like 1o =/ -- Posted by Mr Feel Good at 3:32 pm on July 5, 2009 Only a fag like Mordin could turn this into a religious debate. -- Posted by Macropiper at 12:57 am on July 6, 2009 I see no evidence to suggest that this had anything to do with religion. The sex education I had in school did not teach me about the noises people make when having sex, and I come from a fairly secular country and the school I went to did teach about contraception. If I heard screaming and did not know the reason for it, I might also come to the conclusion that someone was in trouble, although I would then call the police rather than take matters into my own hands. -- Posted by Moridin at 1:44 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 6:47 am on July 5, 2009 Just a point that hasn't been mentioned yet, but I can't imagine a sex education class that was devoted to the different noises people make when coming. Granted, such a class would be hilarious and amazing, but I can't imagine that it would exist, strictly because it would be hilarious and amazing. Also point that high pregnancy rates and STD rates likely have more to do with the fact that teenagers (esp. American teenagers) are stupid and hold the belief that "it could never happen to me." This is more to do with the fact that American parents have become extremely retarded in the raising of their children than the quality of sex education. The point being is that if you had proper sex education, STD rates goes down. This is universally observed throughout Europe and even between the states that have proper sex education and those that do not. There are mountains of data supporting my position. You can try to explain it away all you want, but the facts are immune to your rationalizations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3546007.stm Critics of abstinence-only education said the findings showed that adolescents benefit from sex education. "It's a tragedy if we withhold from these kids information about how not to get STDs or not to get pregnant," Dorothy Mann, of the Family Planning Council, told the Associated Press. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html the United States continues to have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world—almost twice as high as those of England, Wales and Canada, and eight times as high as those of the Netherlands and Japan. Every year, roughly nine million new sexually transmitted infections (STIs) occur among teens and young adults in the United States. Compared with rates among teens in Canada and Western Europe, rates of gonorrhea and chlamydia among U.S. teens are extremely high. By 2002, one-third of teens had not received any formal instruction about contraception. More than one in five adolescents (21% of females and 24% of males) received abstinence education without receiving instruction about birth control in 2002, compared with 8-9% in 1995. Sex education teachers were more likely to focus on abstinence and less likely to provide students with information on birth control, how to obtain contraceptive services, sexual orientation and abortion in 1999 than they were in 1988. More than nine in 10 teachers believe that students should be taught about contraception, but one in four are prohibited from doing so Eighty-six percent of the public school districts that have a policy to teach sex education require that abstinence be promoted. More than half of the districts in the South with a policy to teach sex education have an abstinence-only policy, compared with one in five of such districts in the Northeast. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090622/ap_on_he_me/us_med_hiv_map ATLANTA - A new Internet data map offers a first-of-its-kind, county-level look at HIV cases in the U.S. and finds the infection rates tend to be highest in the South. The highest numbers of HIV cases are in population centers like New York and California. However, many of the areas with the highest rates of HIV — that is, the highest proportion of people with the AIDS-causing virus — are in the South, according to the data map, which has information for more than 90 percent of the nation's counties and Washington, D.C. exceedinglyrare, you believe that the treatment for ignorance is not education or information, but more ignorance. Why is there a perfect correlation between ignorance about sex with a high rate of teen pregnancy and STDs in pretty much all western countries? Has it ever occurred to you that teens stupid enough to repeatedly have unprotected, high-risk sex are stupid enough to misinterpret sounds during sex? -- Posted by Moridin at 1:46 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Macropiper at 10:57 am on July 6, 2009 I see no evidence to suggest that this had anything to do with religion.   The sex education I had in school did not teach me about the noises people make when having sex, and I come from a fairly secular country and the school I went to did teach about contraception.   If I heard screaming and did not know the reason for it, I might also come to the conclusion that someone was in trouble, although I would then call the police rather than take matters into my own hands. Religion discourages proper sex education (fact). Lack of proper sex education induces stupidity regarding sex (fact), just as engaging multiple times in unprotected, high-risk sex and misinterpreting sexual situations. The relationship is clear. -- Posted by Moridin at 1:47 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 7:51 am on July 5, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:47 pm on July 4, 2009 Just a point that hasn't been mentioned yet, but I can't imagine a sex education class that was devoted to the different noises people make when coming. Granted, such a class would be hilarious and amazing, but I can't imagine that it would exist, strictly because it would be hilarious and amazing.    Also point that high pregnancy rates and STD rates likely have more to do with the fact that teenagers (esp. American teenagers) are stupid and hold the belief that "it could never happen to me." This is more to do with the fact that American parents have become extremely retarded in the raising of their children than the quality of sex education. Are you suggesting that perhaps Moridin posted a story with only the barest tangential connection to the point he wished to make, in a sense gleefully engaging in intellectual dishonestly as long as it furthered his agenda, the ideological equivalent of a creationist? How uncharacteristic. When are you going to reply to my argument about abortion and apologize for your intentional misrepresentation? Or is this just another meaningless drive-by posting from you? Pages: 1 2  Next