Pages: 1 2 3  Next -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 9:41 am on July 4, 2009 posting this here because i know at least one of you will find fault with it -- Posted by aejae at 9:44 am on July 4, 2009 OH MOIY... I like this video, it's cool -- Posted by marshmellowman at 9:50 am on July 4, 2009 haha great video, and i like the fact it's a british guy narrating it. people should be forced to watch this before being able to post in this forum (and possibly a few others). -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 9:54 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from marshmellowman at 9:50 am on July 4, 2009 haha great video, and i like the fact it's a british guy narrating it. people should be forced to watch this before being able to post in this forum (and possibly a few others). my college has a listserv and i'm seriously considering posting it to them because they're a  bunch of hippy mystical treeworshippers by and large -- Posted by Kaijuu at 9:55 am on July 4, 2009 This video is fantastic -- Posted by Krebons at 9:55 am on July 4, 2009 Good video. -- Posted by SovSull at 9:57 am on July 4, 2009 but but my sky god -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 9:57 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from SovSull at 9:57 am on July 4, 2009 but but my sky god john frum never forget -- Posted by LiveForeverDieTonite at 9:58 am on July 4, 2009 I really enjoyed watching that. -- Posted by S0LITUDE at 10:05 am on July 4, 2009 I watched it before on stumbleupon. :D -- Posted by Forever Angel at 2:56 pm on July 4, 2009 It makes some good points, but it does seem to be slanted. -- Posted by Moridin at 3:11 pm on July 4, 2009 Great video. -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 8:54 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 2:56 pm on July 4, 2009 It makes some good points, but it does seem to be slanted. slanted in what way -- Posted by Forever Angel at 9:03 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 10:54 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 2:56 pm on July 4, 2009 It makes some good points, but it does seem to be slanted. slanted in what way "I'm an atheist", "I'm a scientist"... the "good" guys. "You hate God", "You think you know it all"... the bad guys. It seems that in order to qualify to be considered "open minded" you have to be an atheistic, scientific kind of person. Believing in God and the spiritual side of life disqualifies one from that circle... at least in the context of that video. -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 9:29 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:03 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 10:54 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 2:56 pm on July 4, 2009 It makes some good points, but it does seem to be slanted. slanted in what way "I'm an atheist", "I'm a scientist"... the "good" guys.   "You hate God", "You think you know it all"... the bad guys.   It seems that in order to qualify to be considered "open minded" you have to be an atheistic, scientific kind of person. Believing in God and the spiritual side of life disqualifies one from that circle... at least in the context of that video. Any assumption of "good" or "bad" is completely applied by the audience. The creator of the video stated in the comments section that all of the example people are supposed to look either very similar or attractive (like the mystical powder girl). All they do is express their views. I don't see how that makes them bad or good. Moreover, you do have to be scientific in order to be openminded, because being scientific is about being openminded, as stated in the video. Science is about the scientific method and rigorously attempting to falsify statements. Science is about not accepting something as fact, but simply as not being disproved... yet. That's what the creator defined as open-minded (and I happen to agree with that definition) in the first few minutes of the video. If you don't think that's what "open-mindedness" is, that's a shame for you, because it's one that most would agree with, but in the end it means that you have a semantical problem with the video, not a serious one. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 9:46 pm on July 4, 2009 The terms "good" and "bad" in the way I meant them was more along the lines of who was and wasn't considered to be open minded. -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 9:54 pm on July 4, 2009 Yeah, because he was addressing about a specific group of people who believe in the paranormal. The message applies to everyone, religious and non-religious alike, as we all have a tendency to think in a "non-openminded" way. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 9:56 pm on July 4, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol. -- Posted by Blackadder at 5:28 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:56 am on July 5, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol. It is an inaccuracy of language to suggest that something which has a "target audience" is-- in virtue of that-- biased ["slanted"] -- Posted by Forever Angel at 7:39 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Blackadder at 7:28 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:56 am on July 5, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol.   It is an inaccuracy of language to suggest that something which has a "target audience" is-- in virtue of that-- biased ["slanted"] So when you're "preaching to the choir", it's not biased (slanted), then? As long as I'm talking to a theist, whatever I may say about an atheist can be accurately described as "fair and balanced". That's good to know. -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 9:17 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:39 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Blackadder at 7:28 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:56 am on July 5, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol.      It is an inaccuracy of language to suggest that something which has a "target audience" is-- in virtue of that-- biased ["slanted"] So when you're "preaching to the choir", it's not biased (slanted), then? As long as I'm talking to a theist, whatever I may say about an atheist can be accurately described as "fair and balanced". That's good to know. Strawman argument. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 9:27 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 11:17 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:39 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Blackadder at 7:28 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:56 am on July 5, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol.       It is an inaccuracy of language to suggest that something which has a "target audience" is-- in virtue of that-- biased ["slanted"] So when you're "preaching to the choir", it's not biased (slanted), then? As long as I'm talking to a theist, whatever I may say about an atheist can be accurately described as "fair and balanced". That's good to know. Strawman argument. How can it be 'strawman' when it's simply responding directly to the same point? You should have called it on Blackadder... he's the one that brought up "target audience". Or is this just more of the atheist bs? -- Posted by Moridin at 6:25 am on July 6, 2009 Again, "advocating a position" is not "biased". If I put forward the true evidence for the Holocaust, this does not mean that I am biased against Holocaust deniers. It just means that I am presenting the evidence. In fact, I would be unbiased in this case. -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 7:19 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:27 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 11:17 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:39 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Blackadder at 7:28 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:56 am on July 5, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol.             It is an inaccuracy of language to suggest that something which has a "target audience" is-- in virtue of that-- biased ["slanted"] So when you're "preaching to the choir", it's not biased (slanted), then? As long as I'm talking to a theist, whatever I may say about an atheist can be accurately described as "fair and balanced". That's good to know.    Strawman argument. How can it be 'strawman' when it's simply responding directly to the same point? You should have called it on Blackadder... he's the one that brought up "target audience". Or is this just more of the atheist bs? sorry misread both your posts Not really sure what blackadder's point is. this move doesn't have a target audience. Not one important to this discussion anyway. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 8:47 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 8:25 am on July 6, 2009 Again, "advocating a position" is not "biased". If I put forward the true evidence for the Holocaust, this does not mean that I am biased against Holocaust deniers. It just means that I am presenting the evidence. In fact, I would be unbiased in this case. Not a very good analogy. -- Posted by Blackadder at 8:53 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:39 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Blackadder at 7:28 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:56 am on July 5, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol.      It is an inaccuracy of language to suggest that something which has a "target audience" is-- in virtue of that-- biased ["slanted"] So when you're "preaching to the choir", it's not biased (slanted), then? As long as I'm talking to a theist, whatever I may say about an atheist can be accurately described as "fair and balanced". That's good to know. I have no fucking clue what this example is supposed to mean. -- Posted by Moridin at 9:28 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:47 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 8:25 am on July 6, 2009 Again, "advocating a position" is not "biased". If I put forward the true evidence for the Holocaust, this does not mean that I am biased against Holocaust deniers. It just means that I am presenting the evidence. In fact, I would be unbiased in this case. Not a very good analogy. Why not? Do you think that presenting evidence for something is the same as being biased? -- Posted by Forever Angel at 9:34 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Blackadder at 10:53 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:39 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Blackadder at 7:28 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:56 am on July 5, 2009 That's what I said, it was slanted, lol.       It is an inaccuracy of language to suggest that something which has a "target audience" is-- in virtue of that-- biased ["slanted"] So when you're "preaching to the choir", it's not biased (slanted), then? As long as I'm talking to a theist, whatever I may say about an atheist can be accurately described as "fair and balanced". That's good to know. I have no fucking clue what this example is supposed to mean.   You said, if the message is aimed at a "target audience", it is inaccurate to suggest it could be biased ("slanted"). Mine was an example of a "target audience". -- Posted by Shaknbake at 11:34 am on July 6, 2009 The video was a touch one sided. It could've, for complete fairness, included at least one example of a close-minded denier of the paranormal. That probably would've helped drive the point home to more of the audience. -- Posted by KathyN at 2:31 pm on July 6, 2009 I didn't like that the video shows that the only way to be an open minded person is being an atheist... Pages: 1 2 3  Next