Pages: 1 2 3  Next -- Posted by static nightmare at 3:12 am on July 6, 2009 Not sure how well I can explain this, but here is what they mean: -libertarian Free Will - non-causal freewill -Soft Determinism - compatibilism; Free will and Determinism -Hard Determinism - No free will What do you believe? -- Posted by Cum Goblin at 3:13 am on July 6, 2009 You realize that for the majority of people who use this site, it's between 3am and 11am? Ask your real questions at a better time. -- Posted by BehindBars at 3:14 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Cum Goblin at 1:13 pm on July 6, 2009 You realize that for the majority of people who use this site, it's between 3am and 11am? Ask your real questions at a better time. Americans arn't the only people who use this site it's 8pm here... -- Posted by static nightmare at 3:14 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Cum Goblin at 8:13 pm on July 6, 2009 You realize that for the majority of people who use this site, it's between 3am and 11am? Ask your real questions at a better time. lol, didn't think of that. But you can just choose 1/4. -- Posted by Cum Goblin at 3:15 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from BehindBars at 3:14 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Cum Goblin at 1:13 pm on July 6, 2009 You realize that for the majority of people who use this site, it's between 3am and 11am? Ask your real questions at a better time. Americans arn't the only people who use this site it's 8pm here... The majority. I included America and the UK in my timespan. Barely any aussies   -- Posted by Manipulative Acid at 3:16 am on July 6, 2009 Yeah it's morning here, but, BehindBars, not very many Aussies use LW either, it's 11.15 am here, same as the UK, similar to the whole of Europe. -- Posted by Cum Goblin at 3:22 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from YellowAcid1 at 3:16 am on July 6, 2009 Yeah it's morning here, but, BehindBars, not very many Aussies use LW either, it's 11.15 am here, same as the UK, similar to the whole of Europe. No, it's 11 in the UK and the west edge of Europe, and 12 around France and Germany and such. -- Posted by static nightmare at 3:25 am on July 6, 2009 *sigh* Now my thread is about the different timezones of the world -- Posted by Cum Goblin at 3:27 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from static nightmare at 3:25 am on July 6, 2009 *sigh* Now my thread is about the different timezones of the world You're welcome. -- Posted by Awesome10 at 3:42 am on July 6, 2009 Other (Please Explain) -- Posted by static nightmare at 3:45 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from awesome10 at 8:42 pm on July 6, 2009 Other (Please Explain) explain? -- Posted by Moridin at 6:23 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from static nightmare at 1:12 pm on July 6, 2009 Not sure how well I can explain this, but here is what they mean: -libertarian Free Will - non-causal freewill -Soft Determinism - compatibilism; Free will and Determinism -Hard Determinism - No free will   What do you believe? No, compatibilism is not libertarian freedom plus determinism. When compatibilists say freedom, they mean something very different from what libertarians say when they mean freedom. I am of course a compatibilist. -- Posted by static nightmare at 7:58 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:23 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from static nightmare at 1:12 pm on July 6, 2009 Not sure how well I can explain this, but here is what they mean:    -libertarian Free Will - non-causal freewill    -Soft Determinism - compatibilism; Free will and Determinism    -Hard Determinism - No free will      What do you believe? No, compatibilism is not libertarian freedom plus determinism. When compatibilists say freedom, they mean something very different from what libertarians say when they mean freedom. I am of course a compatibilist. Yes, I think this is what I meant. Compatibilism and libertarianism both have free will, but they have different definitions for free will. I can't see how you could possibly have determinism and libertarian free wil. -- Posted by Moridin at 2:45 pm on July 7, 2009 Quote: from static nightmare at 5:58 am on July 7, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:23 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from static nightmare at 1:12 pm on July 6, 2009 Not sure how well I can explain this, but here is what they mean:   -libertarian Free Will - non-causal freewill   -Soft Determinism - compatibilism; Free will and Determinism   -Hard Determinism - No free will       What do you believe?    No, compatibilism is not libertarian freedom plus determinism. When compatibilists say freedom, they mean something very different from what libertarians say when they mean freedom.    I am of course a compatibilist.   Yes, I think this is what I meant. Compatibilism and libertarianism both have free will, but they have different definitions for free will. I can't see how you could possibly have determinism and libertarian free wil. Indeed, that would be a contradiction in terms. -- Posted by Prince o palities at 7:11 pm on July 7, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 8:23 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from static nightmare at 1:12 pm on July 6, 2009 Not sure how well I can explain this, but here is what they mean:    -libertarian Free Will - non-causal freewill    -Soft Determinism - compatibilism; Free will and Determinism    -Hard Determinism - No free will      What do you believe? No, compatibilism is not libertarian freedom plus determinism. When compatibilists say freedom, they mean something very different from what libertarians say when they mean freedom. I am of course a compatibilist. What am I? -- Posted by Descartes at 7:21 pm on July 7, 2009 Hard determinism. -- Posted by Descartes at 7:23 pm on July 7, 2009 -- Posted by Forever Angel at 9:29 pm on July 7, 2009 Yes, I believe in free will. -- Posted by Moridin at 9:28 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Prince o palities at 5:11 am on July 8, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 8:23 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from static nightmare at 1:12 pm on July 6, 2009 Not sure how well I can explain this, but here is what they mean:   -libertarian Free Will - non-causal freewill   -Soft Determinism - compatibilism; Free will and Determinism   -Hard Determinism - No free will       What do you believe?    No, compatibilism is not libertarian freedom plus determinism. When compatibilists say freedom, they mean something very different from what libertarians say when they mean freedom.    I am of course a compatibilist. What am I? Strange question. If you want to be rational and scientifically accurate, you ought to be a compatibilist. If you want to be consistent with your (inconsistent) religious beliefs, you ought to believe in libertarian free will. So, which one is it? -- Posted by Moridin at 9:30 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:29 am on July 8, 2009 Yes, I believe in free will. Well, what kind of free will? Libertarian or compatibilist? Saying that you believe in free will is like saying you believe in democracy. Well, which type of democracy (representative, direct etc.)? -- Posted by Forever Angel at 9:48 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:30 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:29 am on July 8, 2009 Yes, I believe in free will. Well, what kind of free will? Libertarian or compatibilist? Saying that you believe in free will is like saying you believe in democracy. Well, which type of democracy (representative, direct etc.)? I think we've been through this before. I believe my decisions are my own to make. -- Posted by Moridin at 9:53 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:48 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:30 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:29 am on July 8, 2009 Yes, I believe in free will.    Well, what kind of free will? Libertarian or compatibilist? Saying that you believe in free will is like saying you believe in democracy. Well, which type of democracy (representative, direct etc.)? I think we've been through this before. I believe my decisions are my own to make. That's like saying you believe in the type of democracy that allows you to vote. Well, vote how? Direct, or by representative? Maybe If I ask something like the following: Do you think that the facts of reality, your personality, the content of your moral character, you memories, your thoughts and knowledge of the world determine how you behave? -- Posted by Forever Angel at 10:02 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:53 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:48 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:30 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:29 am on July 8, 2009 Yes, I believe in free will.   Well, what kind of free will? Libertarian or compatibilist? Saying that you believe in free will is like saying you believe in democracy. Well, which type of democracy (representative, direct etc.)? I think we've been through this before. I believe my decisions are my own to make. That's like saying you believe in the type of democracy that allows you to vote. Well, vote how? Direct, or by representative? Maybe If I ask something like the following: Do you think that the facts of reality, your personality, the content of your moral character, you memories, your thoughts and knowledge of the world determine how you behave? I believe in the kind of democracy that allows me the freedom of living my life as I see fit. One that does not infringe on my rights as a human being. All of those things have something to do with how I behave. But the choices I make are still mine. -- Posted by Moridin at 10:04 am on July 9, 2009 So you don't think that the moral character of a person influences his behavior? You don't think that the knowledge that you have of the world influences a persons behavior? -- Posted by Forever Angel at 10:07 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 12:04 pm on July 9, 2009 So you don't think that the moral character of a person influences his behavior? You don't think that the knowledge that you have of the world influences a persons behavior? Fail. -- Posted by SpM at 10:12 am on July 9, 2009 Moridin, I wouldn't bother. Debating determinism with Forever Angel is like beating your head against a brick wall. It'll quickly degenerate into bickering over semantics, and 20 pages later you discover she's been a compatibilist all along, but won't couch it in those terms for reasons unknown. -- Posted by Prince o palities at 10:13 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:28 am on July 9, 2009 Strange question. If you want to be rational and scientifically accurate, you ought to be a compatibilist. If you want to be consistent with your (inconsistent) religious beliefs, you ought to believe in libertarian free will. So, which one is it? Libertarian free will it is then. That questions not so strange.  I don't understand the terminology or fine contours of this debate (denominational controversy about free will falls largely outside of the field of my expertise), but you do.  Why shouldn't I ask you? -- Posted by SpM at 10:16 am on July 9, 2009 Prince, how do you think free will works? I ask simply because I cannot, for the life of me, understand the libertarian position. -- Posted by Prince o palities at 10:19 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from SpM at 12:16 pm on July 9, 2009 Prince, how do you think free will works? I ask simply because I cannot, for the life of me, understand the libertarian position. Like I said, I don't really understand the lines being drawn.  Free will works in that we choose our own actions; no one chooses them for us. The above may be the shortest explanation I have ever given for any belief I've ever been asked to describe.  It should illustrate how foreign I feel in these waters. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 10:19 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from SpM at 12:12 pm on July 9, 2009 Moridin, I wouldn't bother. Debating determinism with Forever Angel is like beating your head against a brick wall. It'll quickly degenerate into bickering over semantics, and 20 pages later you discover she's been a compatibilist all along, but won't couch it in those terms for reasons unknown. No. It's not about semantics. That seems to be a common dodge for a lot of people when they either use words that they don't know the meaning of or when they've assigned a meaning of their own to a word. Pages: 1 2 3  Next