Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by TeenTalker at 9:24 am on July 6, 2009 is it true that there is a passage where the bible predicts the iraq war if so i will forever beeive in jesus -- Posted by Live Just To Die at 9:25 am on July 6, 2009 Probably not. It probably talks about a war in Asia... if anything. -- Posted by Check Unavailability at 9:25 am on July 6, 2009 I honestly don't think so. At least not directly,I believe. -- Posted by utheh at 9:25 am on July 6, 2009 the middle east has been fight for 500 years, NO SHIT it's mentioned in there -- Posted by redhotchilis64 at 9:25 am on July 6, 2009 Look up "Vague predictions". They're all over the Bible. -- Posted by girl22 at 9:26 am on July 6, 2009 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090225102634AACJl2E -- Posted by Aimforthehead at 9:27 am on July 6, 2009 Sure, if 'giant lizard' is Iraq and 'beautiful rose' is America. -- Posted by Moridin at 9:27 am on July 6, 2009 Too vague and imprecise to be a prophecy or prediction of anything. -- Posted by My Dreams WILL Wait at 9:28 am on July 6, 2009 Qura'an predicts Iraq war too -- Posted by Hi Carie at 9:32 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:27 am on July 6, 2009 Too vague and imprecise to be a prophecy or prediction of anything. agreed. although, the conflict in the middle east most certainly has ties to problems that have been happening for a very long time, and are certainly the result of biblically related things. -- Posted by Moridin at 9:58 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from barnabas at 7:32 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:27 am on July 6, 2009 Too vague and imprecise to be a prophecy or prediction of anything. agreed. although, the conflict in the middle east most certainly has ties to problems that have been happening for a very long time, and are certainly the result of biblically related things. I agree insofar as the conflict in the middle east most certainly has ties to issues that people think have a profound and deadly importance, most often connected to various mythological beliefs. Personally, I also personally think that it is possible for a conflicts to be, rather than a fight between good and evil, merely a conflict between two evils. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 10:30 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from TeenTalker at 12:24 pm on July 6, 2009 is it true that there is a passage where the bible predicts the iraq war   if so i will forever beeive in jesus No, it is not. The Bible is not a predictor of the future. -- Posted by Moridin at 10:35 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 8:30 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from TeenTalker at 12:24 pm on July 6, 2009 is it true that there is a passage where the bible predicts the iraq war      if so i will forever beeive in jesus No, it is not. The Bible is not a predictor of the future. Yeah, maybe the book of revelation is just something a crazy guy on narcotics wrote in one of his drug-hazes? -- Posted by Hi Carie at 10:37 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 11:58 am on July 6, 2009   I agree insofar as the conflict in the middle east most certainly has ties to issues that people think have a profound and deadly importance, most often connected to various mythological beliefs. Personally, I also personally think that it is possible for a conflicts to be, rather than a fight between good and evil, merely a conflict between two evils. right. i wasnt stressing their truthfullness, but simply their relatedness.   I fully agree that a conflict can be between 2 evils. -- Posted by TheOtherHorseman at 10:48 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 1:35 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 8:30 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from TeenTalker at 12:24 pm on July 6, 2009 is it true that there is a passage where the bible predicts the iraq war       if so i will forever beeive in jesus    No, it is not. The Bible is not a predictor of the future. Yeah, maybe the book of revelation is just something a crazy guy on narcotics wrote in one of his drug-hazes? Or a roundabout way of criticizing the Romans. -- Posted by Moridin at 10:55 am on July 6, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Dismissal Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/devil.html http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff16.htm You see what I did there? I selected an interpretation that fitted my a priori ideology without substantial argumentation. By the way, you still have not replied to my refutation of your false characterization of my position on abortion. Just thought id add this if you want to take up the topic again, or if you prefer just to avoid it like the plague due to the fact that your argument had no intellectual merit. -- Posted by TheOtherHorseman at 11:35 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 1:55 pm on July 6, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Dismissal Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/devil.html http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff16.htm You see what I did there? I selected an interpretation that fitted my a priori ideology without substantial argumentation. By the way, you still have not replied to my refutation of your false characterization of my position on abortion. Just thought id add this if you want to take up the topic again, or if you prefer just to avoid it like the plague due to the fact that your argument had no intellectual merit. Moridin, I've grown to avoid discussion with you. There are some people, when you talk to them, you just leave feeling dirty. It is that special combination of tactics and tenacity that leave a grimy sensation. You produce that sensation, as do the most ignorant of creationists and the most ravenous of racial or sexual bigots. -- Posted by Moridin at 1:11 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 9:35 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 1:55 pm on July 6, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Dismissal     Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."    http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/devil.html    http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff16.htm    You see what I did there? I selected an interpretation that fitted my a priori ideology without substantial argumentation.    By the way, you still have not replied to my refutation of your false characterization of my position on abortion. Just thought id add this if you want to take up the topic again, or if you prefer just to avoid it like the plague due to the fact that your argument had no intellectual merit. Moridin, I've grown to avoid discussion with you. There are some people, when you talk to them, you just leave feeling dirty. It is that special combination of tactics and tenacity that leave a grimy sensation. You produce that sensation, as do the most ignorant of creationists and the most ravenous of racial or sexual bigots. TheOtherHorseman, your reaction is a very common attitude for a person when confronted with evidence against their ideology. They try to rationalize the failure of their worldview by blaming the one who refuted it. Don't you understand that you are behaving in exactly the same way as creationist or racist bigots do when they are disproved? They simply assert that they are not going to discuss it any longer, takes their football and goes home in a last desperate effort to save face. A face already filled with tears of impotent rage and desperation. The immaturity of your worldview speaks for itself; I will accept that post as your concession in this discussion. Remember that it was you that refused to have a rational discussion about abortion. It was you who tried to play the hurt feelings card in this discussion. It was you who insistingly made straw mans out of your opponents position and it was you who acted like you had not. Your debate mentality represents a lot of things I find despicable; the unwillingness to reconsider your position, the unwillingness to consider evidence, the unwillingness to have a rational discussion and the unwillingness to accurately represents your opponents argument. Most encounters with you also leaves a bitter aftertaste in my mouth. Not because of the fact that you disagree with my positions, because I wholeheartedly support your right to do so. Not because of the fact that your arguments are falsehoods, but because of your systematic unwillingness for everything that is rational. A person who shows just a disregard for rationality and proper rational discussion is a very sad person. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 1:13 pm on July 6, 2009 1 point to TOH for refusing to engage a slimeball. 0 points to Moridin for refusing to admit that he is a slimeball. -- Posted by Moridin at 1:18 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:13 pm on July 6, 2009 1 point to TOH for refusing to engage a slimeball. 0 points to Moridin for refusing to admit that he is a slimeball. Personal attacks, so professional of you. The evidence is here for all to see that TheOtherHorseman, in the close-minded bigotry that is his position regarding abortion, refuses a calm and rational argument or to be held accountable for the straw man he has erected. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 1:45 pm on July 6, 2009 Straw man that you have erected, you mean. TOH is simply not lowering himself to your level, and frankly, I can't blame him. You're definitely one of the worst debaters on this site, if not the worst, as you know exactly what you're doing wrong and do it anyway. -- Posted by Moridin at 1:50 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:45 pm on July 6, 2009 Straw man that you have erected, you mean. TOH is simply not lowering himself to your level, and frankly, I can't blame him. You're definitely one of the worst debaters on this site, if not the worst, as you know exactly what you're doing wrong and do it anyway. Yet you are unable to refute a single one of the arguments that I have presented. That says more about you my dear than it does about me. Do take a look at the argument myself and Wilder is having about Pantheism, which is perfectly honest and calm discussion. http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynboeyo-support-a.html -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 1:50 pm on July 6, 2009 I wasn't interested in refuting your arguments; I barely even read them. I'm more interested in the fact that you're a very bad debater. -- Posted by Moridin at 1:54 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:50 pm on July 6, 2009 I wasn't interested in refuting your arguments; I barely even read them. I'm more interested in the fact that you're a very bad debater. So you admit that you barely read my arguments, yet continue to make posts against me? That is by definition the admission of a very bad debater. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 1:55 pm on July 6, 2009 I'd say that the definition of a bad debater is one who makes constant fallacies in his arguments, knowing full well that they are fallacies (and decrying others who make them), but claiming that he's allowed to do so because he's "right." It really has little to do with this thread at all, and everything to do with your habits in every. other. thread. -- Posted by Moridin at 1:56 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:55 pm on July 6, 2009 I'd say that the definition of a bad debater is one who makes constant fallacies in his arguments, knowing full well that they are fallacies (and decrying others who make them), but claiming that he's allowed to do so because he's "right." It really has little to do with this thread at all, and everything to do with your habits in every. other. thread. Name one single instance when I have done this. I dare you. You can't, can you? I thought so. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 2:01 pm on July 6, 2009 http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynnebas-support-a.html http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynbiips-support-a.html http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynnynob-support-a.html http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynopist-support-a.html Just for starters. I could go way back, but I really don't care enough to do so. Suffice it to say that I can't really blame TOH for not engaging in discussion with you; I don't know why I bother myself. -- Posted by Moridin at 2:08 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 12:01 am on July 7, 2009 http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynnebas-support-a.html http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynbiips-support-a.html http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynnynob-support-a.html http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ynopist-support-a.html Just for starters. I could go way back, but I really don't care enough to do so. Suffice it to say that I can't really blame TOH for not engaging in discussion with you; I don't know why I bother myself. Where exactly have I done this? Chapter and verse please. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 2:10 pm on July 6, 2009 Read the damned threads yourself, I really do not care enough to sit here and write a dissertation on why you suck. You know where your errors are. -- Posted by Moridin at 2:19 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 12:10 am on July 7, 2009 Read the damned threads yourself, I really do not care enough to sit here and write a dissertation on why you suck. You know where your errors are. So you are unable to find a single example of what you claim that I do?   Pages: 1 2  Next