Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:14 am on July 9, 2009 I am not saying that he isn't real. There's one thing I don't understand though. If he punishes those who don't have faith in him or believe he is real then why couldn't he just automatically make people have faith in him? I mean he never showed himself to us, he left written records which leave people puzzled to if he exists? I am trying to make this sound the least rude as possible because if he is real I don't want him to be angry at me for questioning him. My point is. If he punishes those who don't have faith in him, why can't he appear in front of us and destroy all doubt of his existence? -- Posted by kitKAT55 at 8:14 am on July 9, 2009 NYX -- Posted by Fishboner at 8:15 am on July 9, 2009 Because that defeats the purpose of faith. -- Posted by Sins and Demons at 8:15 am on July 9, 2009 Telling people that God punishes those that done beileve in him makes people beileve in him. More so in ancient times. -- Posted by My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:16 am on July 9, 2009 Because then there won't be believers and non-believers...this is the test. -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:16 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Porn Store Stiffi at 8:15 am on July 9, 2009 Because that defeats the purpose of faith. I never knew you had to not see someone to have faith in them. -- Posted by VALIENT at 8:16 am on July 9, 2009 Because that would actually make sense. -- Posted by elizachunk at 8:16 am on July 9, 2009 Hes a ninja he cant show himself!!! -- Posted by Prince o palities at 8:19 am on July 9, 2009 I get the impression that you are very interested in covering all your bases.  You don't want to say on 2012 one way or the other just in case.  You don't want to commit one way or the other on God just in case.  At some point in your life, you're going to have to take a stand on something or your life will come to an end empty and meaningless. -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:19 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:16 am on July 9, 2009 Because then there won't be believers and non-believers...this is the test. I know but if he is God and created us. Why not just make us automatically have faith in him? I mean if he created us with human nature of course people are going to be skeptical of things they don't see. If you give someone the choice to have faith or not have faith, then don't make good evidence of yourself, it would seen kind of unfair to place judgment on the skeptical wouldn't it? -- Posted by EmbraceTheHate at 8:19 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 11:16 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Porn Store Stiffi at 8:15 am on July 9, 2009 Because that defeats the purpose of faith. I never knew you had to not see someone to have faith in them. faith is believing something whether you have absolute proof or not. -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:21 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Prince o palities at 8:19 am on July 9, 2009 I get the impression that you are very interested in covering all your bases. You don't want to say on 2012 one way or the other just in case. You don't want to commit one way or the other on God just in case. At some point in your life, you're going to have to take a stand on something or your life will come to an end empty and meaningless. With things like religion you never know for sure. I have faith in a higher being that much I will say. -- Posted by Prince o palities at 8:22 am on July 9, 2009 What does it mean to "have faith" in a undefined, unrevealed higher being? -- Posted by My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:26 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:19 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:16 am on July 9, 2009 Because then there won't be believers and non-believers...this is the test. I know but if he is God and created us. Why not just make us automatically have faith in him? I mean if he created us with human nature of course people are going to be skeptical of things they don't see. If you give someone the choice to have faith or not have faith, then don't make good evidence of yourself, it would seen kind of unfair to place judgment on the skeptical wouldn't it?   He gave us the choice -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:27 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Prince o palities at 8:22 am on July 9, 2009 What does it mean to "have faith" in a undefined, unrevealed higher being? I don't know. We have to come from somewhere. It's possible that someone created us. I am leaning more towards the higher being philosophy. You can't expect me to have a strong stance on only one thing. With things like religion, philosophy and higher forces, I don't like saying what's wrong and what's right if I don't know for sure. I wouldn't say " faith" I guess. I am saying for people who believe in different Gods. With all these different religions brought to us, why should the people who don't follow Christianity or whatever be persecuted? I'm sure God would be more understanding of the scenario. -- Posted by Prince o palities at 8:30 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 10:27 am on July 9, 2009 I'm sure God would be more understanding of the scenario. This, I think, is the first thing you have been "sure" of so far.  On what grounds do you have this assurance? -- Posted by KotaLautner at 8:39 am on July 9, 2009 God doesn't want to make people do anything they don't want to do. He just wishes that people would believe in Him and do good. This is just from my perspective. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices and won't judge us for the ones we do make or have made. He is always there to welcome us back into His heart and forgive us for the sins we have committed. -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:40 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Prince o palities at 8:30 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 10:27 am on July 9, 2009 I'm sure God would be more understanding of the scenario. This, I think, is the first thing you have been "sure" of so far. On what grounds do you have this assurance? Well if God is truly good and truly perfect then I don't think he would make the mistake of persecuting people. Unless he is not an understanding God. I mean seriously. He has to understand that this world has many different religions brought to us telling us to have faith. He knows we are only human if he made us that way. With all these different beliefs, if we happen to follow the "wrong" religion I don't think it would be fair to judge mere humans from making such a wide based decision. Especially since humans come from different places and formed different beliefs and from the story I believe the whole story with Moses happened in one part of the world. I just don't think it would be fair to punish people in such a scenario. And don't judge me for not having strict religious views. -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:41 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from KotaLautner at 8:39 am on July 9, 2009 God doesn't want to make people do anything they don't want to do. He just wishes that people would believe in Him and do good. This is just from my perspective. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices and won't judge us for the ones we do make or have made. He is always there to welcome us back into His heart and forgive us for the sins we have committed. I believe that more then I do the claim that he would punish us. -- Posted by My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:45 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:41 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from KotaLautner at 8:39 am on July 9, 2009 God doesn't want to make people do anything they don't want to do. He just wishes that people would believe in Him and do good. This is just from my perspective. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices and won't judge us for the ones we do make or have made. He is always there to welcome us back into His heart and forgive us for the sins we have committed. I believe that more then I do the claim that he would punish us. Good people and bad people can't be equal -- Posted by Moonscar at 8:47 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:45 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:41 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from KotaLautner at 8:39 am on July 9, 2009 God doesn't want to make people do anything they don't want to do. He just wishes that people would believe in Him and do good. This is just from my perspective. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices and won't judge us for the ones we do make or have made. He is always there to welcome us back into His heart and forgive us for the sins we have committed. I believe that more then I do the claim that he would punish us. Good people and bad people can't be equal I didn't say they could. If you are referring to people who murder and commit crime then that's a different scenario. I don't think people with good intentions should be punished if they make a mistake. -- Posted by My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:49 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:47 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:45 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:41 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from KotaLautner at 8:39 am on July 9, 2009 God doesn't want to make people do anything they don't want to do. He just wishes that people would believe in Him and do good. This is just from my perspective. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices and won't judge us for the ones we do make or have made. He is always there to welcome us back into His heart and forgive us for the sins we have committed.   I believe that more then I do the claim that he would punish us. Good people and bad people can't be equal   I didn't say they could. If you are referring to people who murder and commit crime then that's a different scenario. I don't think people with good intentions should be punished if they make a mistake. Okay then, god punishes people because he gave everybody the choice...when people don't wanna try to look up the truth, that's totally their fault. -- Posted by Moonscar at 9:12 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:49 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:47 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:45 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:41 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from KotaLautner at 8:39 am on July 9, 2009 God doesn't want to make people do anything they don't want to do. He just wishes that people would believe in Him and do good. This is just from my perspective. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices and won't judge us for the ones we do make or have made. He is always there to welcome us back into His heart and forgive us for the sins we have committed.    I believe that more then I do the claim that he would punish us. Good people and bad people can't be equal I didn't say they could. If you are referring to people who murder and commit crime then that's a different scenario. I don't think people with good intentions should be punished if they make a mistake. Okay then, god punishes people because he gave everybody the choice...when people don't wanna try to look up the truth, that's totally their fault. That's stupid. You can't look up what you call "The truth" and be 100 percent sure it's the truth. Like I said there are many different religions. We are human. If he gave us a choice it's sure a big one. With all the religions in the world how do we know which belief is right and which one isn't? How do we know if he even punishes us for not following everything the bible says? How is it that it's my fault and I need to be punished for following the "wrong" religion. I would gladly follow him if I were 100 percent sure his way was the right way but since we have never even seen him. Sure it's been written but a lot of things of other religions have been written too. Am I suppose to be expected to choose the right religion with all these scenario's and if I don't I deserved to be punished?   -- Posted by Prince o palities at 9:22 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 10:40 am on July 9, 2009 And don't judge me for not having strict religious views. When did I "judge" you? -- Posted by Moonscar at 9:26 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Prince o palities at 9:22 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 10:40 am on July 9, 2009 And don't judge me for not having strict religious views. When did I "judge" you? It seemed like you were when you were criticizing me for not having one stance. -- Posted by My Dreams WILL Wait at 12:47 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 9:12 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:49 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:47 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from My Dreams WILL Wait at 8:45 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:41 am on July 9, 2009 Quote: from KotaLautner at 8:39 am on July 9, 2009 God doesn't want to make people do anything they don't want to do. He just wishes that people would believe in Him and do good. This is just from my perspective. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices and won't judge us for the ones we do make or have made. He is always there to welcome us back into His heart and forgive us for the sins we have committed.       I believe that more then I do the claim that he would punish us. Good people and bad people can't be equal      I didn't say they could. If you are referring to people who murder and commit crime then that's a different scenario. I don't think people with good intentions should be punished if they make a mistake. Okay then, god punishes people because he gave everybody the choice...when people don't wanna try to look up the truth, that's totally their fault. That's stupid. You can't look up what you call "The truth" and be 100 percent sure it's the truth. Like I said there are many different religions. We are human. If he gave us a choice it's sure a big one. With all the religions in the world how do we know which belief is right and which one isn't? How do we know if he even punishes us for not following everything the bible says? How is it that it's my fault and I need to be punished for following the "wrong" religion. I would gladly follow him if I were 100 percent sure his way was the right way but since we have never even seen him. Sure it's been written but a lot of things of other religions have been written too. Am I suppose to be expected to choose the right religion with all these scenario's and if I don't I deserved to be punished? I'm not talking about religions now....I'm talking about god -- Posted by Shogun villimax at 2:40 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:14 am on July 9, 2009 I am not saying that he isn't real. There's one thing I don't understand though. If he punishes those who don't have faith in him or believe he is real then why couldn't he just automatically make people have faith in him? I mean he never showed himself to us, he left written records which leave people puzzled to if he exists? I am trying to make this sound the least rude as possible because if he is real I don't want him to be angry at me for questioning him. My point is. If he punishes those who don't have faith in him, why can't he appear in front of us and destroy all doubt of his existence?   A gift that is demanded is no gift at all. We all must find out for our selves -- Posted by Moonscar at 3:34 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Shogun villimax at 2:40 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Moonscar at 8:14 am on July 9, 2009 I am not saying that he isn't real. There's one thing I don't understand though. If he punishes those who don't have faith in him or believe he is real then why couldn't he just automatically make people have faith in him? I mean he never showed himself to us, he left written records which leave people puzzled to if he exists? I am trying to make this sound the least rude as possible because if he is real I don't want him to be angry at me for questioning him. My point is. If he punishes those who don't have faith in him, why can't he appear in front of us and destroy all doubt of his existence? A gift that is demanded is no gift at all. We all must find out for our selves What exactly am I demanding?   -- Posted by theyareAs at 6:40 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Porn Store Stiffi at 10:15 am on July 9, 2009 Because that defeats the purpose of faith. Short and Sweet. K now on to you moonscar. Lets say i was god -Blasphemy!!!- now i created this amazing world full of people i could manipulate and pretty much be a puppet master. But wheres the fun in that? It would be much more interesting to have no direct influence and see what happens -- Posted by Moonscar at 7:03 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from theyareAs at 6:40 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from Porn Store Stiffi at 10:15 am on July 9, 2009 Because that defeats the purpose of faith. Short and Sweet. K now on to you moonscar. Lets say i was god -Blasphemy!!!- now i created this amazing world full of people i could manipulate and pretty much be a puppet master. But wheres the fun in that? It would be much more interesting to have no direct influence and see what happens Ok then, don't get mad at them then when you give them a  choice. Pages: 1 2  Next