-- Posted by fire storm at 5:54 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Countless times scientific research, common sense, common knowledge has completely refuted, shutdown and obliterated pro-religion arguments and their fallacious shit. In fact science proves beyond a reasonable doubt that religion is nonsense, god doesn't exist and Pro-religionists are all clinically delusional (not really on the delusional bit, but close enough) Pro-religionists argument that they like to spread around like the plague is that "you have no way of knowing if you've never seen him" - that argument is theoretically true to an extent with anything. But with no evidence to back up any existence of a "god", that argument can be simply cast aside as grasping at straws. The other argument "You don't know there's water on Mars but theoretically could exist" Of course, but that's hypothetical and doesn't prove any form of "gods" exist. A chance of a "god" existing doesn't make it exist. Pro-religionists also like to say they feel the presence of a "god" or some of type of guardian such as an angel around them and can speak to them. You know what science calls that? They call that hallucinations and being insane. So really not only could we label pro-religionists of being incompetent, naive, fallacious and being clinically delusional, we could probably classify them as being insane too or atleast suffering from hallucinations. So really if someone has a good argument to why you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt to why a "god" exists, I shall give you the time of day. Until then... cheers.   -- Posted by J sh at 5:55 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Dear God you are an idiot. -- Posted by fire storm at 5:57 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from J sh at 6:55 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Dear God you are an idiot. ITT: invalid irrelevant reply because pro-religionist has no answer to the question -- Posted by J sh at 5:58 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Who said I was pro-religion? I didn't say one way or the other which way I leaned in this topic of discussion, dumbass. And your idiocy bleeds through because you have no concept of what religion and science are, and how they're completely unrelated. -- Posted by fire storm at 6:01 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from J sh at 6:58 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Who said I was pro-religion? I didn't say one way or the other which way I leaned in this topic of discussion, dumbass. And your idiocy bleeds through because you have no concept of what religion and science are, and how they're completely unrelated. This is going off-topic, stay on topic and don't derail my shit, you incompetent fuckwitt. This thread wasn't asking for you to slander with false defamation of character crocks of shit. If I wanted that, I would have asked you to provide that in the thread. They are completely related as one successful counters the other one. Evolution versus Creationism. -- Posted by J sh at 6:03 am on Sep. 2, 2011 LOL. You're a riot, bro. HEY GUYS APPARENTLY I HURT HIS FEELINGS AND HE WANTS ME TO STOP IT D'AWWWWWWW. -- Posted by DannDivision at 6:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 How exactly has Human science dis-proven the potential for a higher power? Show me, and maybe I'll have even the slightest glimpse of believing a single word you just typed. Now, there's a difference between actually knowing something, and believing it to be true. One may believe in a higher power personally, but they don't know it exists. It's a belief. It's true, we won't know for a fact if there is a God or not unless if after we die, we go to a supposed heaven or hell. There is no way for science to actually prove/dis-prove something on the scale of a higher power or not. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 6:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 What science has proven that God doesn't exist? -- Posted by J sh at 6:05 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Also, if you want an on-topic response (not that my others, aside from my last ones, weren't): Religion is faith, science is empirical. Two completely different schools of thought that aren't mutually exclusive. HERPDERP. -- Posted by fire storm at 6:13 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 What science has proven that God doesn't exist? The concept of god is a supernatural one. Science deals with the natural. Science can disprove some specific supernatural claims (and many a hoax have been so revealed). Supernatural is imaginary. Reigion has failed to provide evidence of a deity's existence too. -- Posted by J sh at 6:17 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Noble at 9:13 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 What science has proven that God doesn't exist? The concept of god is a supernatural one. Science deals with the natural. Science can disprove some specific supernatural claims (and many a hoax have been so revealed). Supernatural is imaginary. Reigion has failed to provide evidence of a deity's existence too. Proof right here you're an idiot. As I just said, religion is faith, science is empirical thinking. Science has nothing to do with religion, and religion has nothing to do with science. While some theories of science have disproved certain things from the bible (such as the age of the earth, etc.), that still doesn't rule out the existence of a higher deity. In other words, they're not mutually exclusive. It's not that fucking hard to comprehend. And I should point out that even science has grey areas. They're called theories for a reason: even though studies may have supported the previous hypotheses (and subsequently turned them into theories), they are still not considered absolute fact. -- Posted by DannDivision at 6:19 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Noble at 6:13 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 What science has proven that God doesn't exist? The concept of god is a supernatural one. Science deals with the natural. Science can disprove some specific supernatural claims (and many a hoax have been so revealed). Supernatural is imaginary. Reigion has failed to provide evidence of a deity's existence too. Yes, Religion is Faith. Religion doesn't try to prove that a higher power exists. It's merely a belief, a way of thought. -- Posted by King Kong at 6:22 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Ok, Noble prove to be I am not holding an apple right now. -- Posted by fire storm at 6:23 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from J sh at 7:17 am on Sep. 2, 2011 *Removed lines of nonsense* hat still doesn't rule out the existence of a higher deity. In other words, they're not mutually exclusive. No higher deity has ever been found to exist. Pro-religionists have never proven a deity exists. What you are saying it could hypothetically exist. It doesn't mean it exists, until it is found..... it doesn't exist naturally. Ghosts could hypothetically exist but right now it's labelled as non-existent And I should point out that even science has grey areas. They're called theories for a reason: even though studies may have supported the previous hypotheses (and subsequently turned them into theories), they are still not considered absolute fact. Studies verify, coincide and support these theories..... it pretty much makes them a fact and that is the common consensus definitions of a fact. -- Posted by J sh at 6:25 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Lmfao. I can't even take you seriously, you have the logic and intelligence of a retarded toddler. -- Posted by fire storm at 6:25 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from DannDivision at 7:19 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Yes, Religion is Faith. Religion doesn't try to prove that a higher power exists. It's merely a belief, a way of thought. Faith is built upon the foundations of unscientifically matters such as creationism. Having a faith isn't wrong, thinking fallacious shit of the faith (which has been scientifically proven to be wrong) is wrong. -- Posted by fire storm at 6:26 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from J sh at 7:25 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Lmfao. I can't even take you seriously, you have the logic and intelligence of a retarded toddler. If you cannot counter or refute me and choose to reply like this, it means you have nothing to add and have lost the debate. Thank you. Now please go back to your coloring book. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 6:29 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Noble at 8:13 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 What science has proven that God doesn't exist? The concept of god is a supernatural one. Science deals with the natural. In other words, it doesn't even address the concept of God. How, then, have there been "countless times scientific research ... has completely refuted, shutdown and obliterated pro-religion arguments and their fallacious shit"? I'm assuming, from the title of the topic, that this is in reference to the existence of (a) God. (I left out "common knowledge" because it's irrelevant to the discussion.) You should be able to provide some of this enormous amount of "research" that refutes said existence. -- Posted by J sh at 6:29 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Awe how cute, you think you've won. :) All you've done is merely shown how ill-informed and moronic you are, buddy. <3 But whatever makes you feel like someone who isn't a tard. ;D -- Posted by fire storm at 6:33 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:29 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Noble at 8:13 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 What science has proven that God doesn't exist? The concept of god is a supernatural one. Science deals with the natural. In other words, it doesn't even address the concept of God.   Supernatural isn't real, it's fiction. Like wizards and Harry Potter. It cannot address something that is fictional so this argument ends here. That alone proves he doesn't exist. End of discussion. Come back when you have something better then a dead horse. -- Posted by fire storm at 6:34 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from J sh at 7:29 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Awe how cute, you think you've won. :) All you've done is merely shown how ill-informed and moronic you are, buddy. <3 But whatever makes you feel like someone who isn't a tard. ;D you're sooo immature, i ultimately understand now why your problems in life exist and why past problems were problems. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 6:36 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Noble at 8:33 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:29 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Noble at 8:13 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:04 am on Sep. 2, 2011 What science has proven that God doesn't exist? The concept of god is a supernatural one. Science deals with the natural. In other words, it doesn't even address the concept of God.   Supernatural isn't real, it's fiction. Like wizards and Harry Potter. It cannot address something that is fictional so this argument ends here. That alone proves he doesn't exist. End of discussion.   Come back when you have something better then a dead horse. So you lied? There is no research you can show? Then you're right... endoftopic. -- Posted by Prince o palities at 6:44 am on Sep. 2, 2011 That's sad.  I thought this was going to be a nice topic for people to discuss what convinces them that God exists.  Instead, it is just a very angry standard exaggeration of the scope of scientific research by someone who is clearly more interested in yelling himself into victory than in engaging in discussion on any of his expressed views. -- Posted by DonnieDarkko at 7:01 am on Sep. 2, 2011 Ironically science has proven that there could be a God. Disappointingly, and as has also already been said by the above, I am not prepared to waste my breath for someone who has already made up their mind because they feel awesome thinking they have defeated religion in its entirety simply claiming 'science' as their victory flag. -- Posted by Oblivion to Delusion at 7:31 am on Sep. 2, 2011 J sh, calm your tits. -- Posted by Whiteninja at 7:32 am on Sep. 2, 2011 You want to know where God is? He is in an alternate dimension that can only be seen out of the flesh body. How can I attest that He is real? What has happened in my life. I also want to point out that the term insanity and its forms is simply legal terminology. If you want to talk psychologically then choose different words. Another thing, when did science disprove the age of the earth according to the Bible? Flesh man was created on earth about 6000 years ago. Before that was the first earth age where man resided with God in the spiritual realm while dinosaurs roamed the earth. The Book of Job has documentation of dinosaurs. The reason for this body and life is for every single person to choose whether they will love God or follow Satan. After all, Satan and his rebellion is what made God create man in the flesh. -- Posted by roll out at 7:51 am on Sep. 2, 2011 i just know he does c; faith my brotha -- Posted by DarkSoulessDevil at 8:24 am on Sep. 2, 2011 No one can be certain God exists. But the whole point of religion and god is faith and with faith and believing there can be no scientific explanation. -- Posted by Paloma at 9:49 pm on Sep. 3, 2011 Oh goodness, you're one of those, eh? I'll leave you with a couple thoughts. I study human biology and evolution and maintain a strong Christian faith in spite of your "crushing evidence". A literal interpretation of Genesis is a rather new phenomenon. Augustine of Hippo claimed that it was allegorical on a theological basis in the 4th century and first century Jewish scholar Philo of Alexandria said it would be a mistake to take Genesis 1 literally. This was all long before Darwin. Also, science deals with the physical, observable world. The metaphysical world is one that it simply cannot touch, so no empirical evidence can be given for the existence of the metaphysical. However, I encourage you to read up on Max Planck (the father of quantum mechanics). He claimed that the quantum world almost necessitates the existence of an intelligent force behind the universe.