Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Rhapsody at 3:10 pm on June 29, 2006 I am tired of replying to perfectly legit ehelps in my opinion and by the time I hit send reply, I get a message saying "The request you tried to respond to has been deleted." It just pisses me off. So I ask that you Support Leaders who vote to delete ehelps think about what you are about to do before you actually do it. Unless the ehelp is the following don't touch that link: - Spam - Post was not of a truly serious nature and would be better off in the forums I feel that the last one that was deleted was perfectly legit and of a serious nature. Subject of Ehelp: WILL MY MAN GO TO JAIL FOR SAGITORY RPE Content of Ehelp:IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN HELP BEFOR THEY TAKE THE BLOOD FROM ARE ABY ? CAN WE GET MARRIED (Edited by Rhapsody at 6:14 pm on June 29, 2006) -- Posted by leahbabea at 3:12 pm on June 29, 2006 I disagree I don't think it was an emergency at all, sorry. I am careful when i press the vote to delete too, and i think most support leaders are, i just didn't see much of the "e" in that post, sorry. -- Posted by Roy at 3:15 pm on June 29, 2006 I voted to delete it. She wants to know if her boyfriend could go to jail for statutory rape. She didn't really give that many details, to her situation. If we asked her, she would not have been able to reply. For example, did someone just find out they had sex, or is there already a court case? Things that would completely change our answers. We couldn't get that information, because she isn't a Support Leader, and couldn't reply. Thus, to me, it seemed better in the forums. -- Posted by leahbabea at 3:17 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Roy at 3:15 pm on June 29, 2006 I voted to delete it. She wants to know if her boyfriend could go to jail for statutory rape. She didn't really give that many details, to her situation. If we asked her, she would not have been able to reply. For example, did someone just find out they had sex, or is there already a court case? Things that would completely change our answers. We couldn't get that information, because she isn't a Support Leader, and couldn't reply.   Thus, to me, it seemed better in the forums. couldn't of said it better myself. -- Posted by Rhapsody at 3:18 pm on June 29, 2006 eHelp (Emergency Help) is LiveWire's fast, free service available for users to receive quick help, support, and advice from Support Leaders. I think I missed the part where is says, unless decided that the user does not deserve the quick help, support and advice from support leaders. -- Posted by Roy at 3:20 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Rhapsody at 6:18 pm on June 29, 2006 eHelp (Emergency Help) is LiveWire's fast, free service available for users to receive quick help, support, and advice from Support Leaders.   I think I missed the part where is says, unless decided that the user does not deserve the quick help, support and advice from support leaders.   Signing up also happens to be free. Takes seconds too. David gave us the option to delete eHelps. Seriously. I'm sorry if I used it, under the criteria that David provided. (Edited by Roy at 6:27 pm on June 29, 2006) -- Posted by Rhapsody at 3:25 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Roy at 6:20 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Rhapsody at 6:18 pm on June 29, 2006 eHelp (Emergency Help) is LiveWire's fast, free service available for users to receive quick help, support, and advice from Support Leaders.    I think I missed the part where is says, unless decided that the user does not deserve the quick help, support and advice from support leaders.     Signing up also happens to be free. Takes seconds too. David gave up to option to delete eHelps. Seriously. I'm sorry if I used it, under the criteria that David provided. Because someone gives you the ability to do something does not mean that you must use it. If you are given a gun does that mean that you must use it?? -- Posted by 4est at 3:26 pm on June 29, 2006 I think it should of stayed, as it was a legitamit question. Until we have anomynous forum posting, things like that need to stay. For all ya'll know, she could of been a known member (despite the typing... most people catch on). She is probably in a panic as the father of her baby, whom she obviously loves as she is willing to get married, is going to jail. -- Posted by Rhapsody at 3:28 pm on June 29, 2006 BTW, Roy and leahbabea, why didn't you also vote to delete the other one, which in my opinion is not that much different from that one. Subject: getting girls to talk to me Ehelp conetent: see the problem is they look but dont talk. I am always the gentleman I always talk to them but it feels like they are put off -- Posted by Roy at 3:29 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Rhapsody at 6:25 pm on June 29, 2006 Because someone gives you the ability to do something does not mean that you must use it. If you are given a gun does that mean that you must use it?? If the occasion calls for it. And to me, the occasion called for it. -- Posted by 4est at 3:31 pm on June 29, 2006 I'd like to add that I've looked in the eHelp library, (Im just a tech) and I've noticed that basically none of them are actually 'emergency.' And emergency would be a situation where someone is in dire need of immediate help, with possible repercussions of injury, whether emotional or physical. I think this is a not-good feature, as it is hardly a Support Leader's responsibility to decide how important one's situation is. -- Posted by ixi at 3:51 pm on June 29, 2006 I don't think it's a good idea in the first place.  As someone else pointed out, nothing in there is REALLY an emergency.. actually, I agree with all of 4est's post.  When a truly bad comes along, and it's obviously spam, a mod can easily take care of it, but I've seen a few get deleted that really were fine.  I know members like to use it to remain anonymous, and the purpose of this website is to provide support... support that those members won't get unless they have a way to be unknown.  Those types of messages really need to stay. And this feature isn't good.  There's no point to it, and I think it's not being used correctly. -- Posted by Roy at 4:11 pm on June 29, 2006 Personally, I don't think that members are abusing the delete feature. That's the only eHelp I've ever voted to delete. I put serious thought into it too. However I agree, that if people do abuse it, then one of two things should happen. 1. The person shouldn't be a SL 2. The feature should be removed completely. -- Posted by dovelove at 4:13 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from ixi at 6:51 pm on June 29, 2006 I don't think it's a good idea in the first place.  As someone else pointed out, nothing in there is REALLY an emergency.. actually, I agree with all of 4est's post.  When a truly bad comes along, and it's obviously spam, a mod can easily take care of it, but I've seen a few get deleted that really were fine.  I know members like to use it to remain anonymous, and the purpose of this website is to provide support... support that those members won't get unless they have a way to be unknown.  Those types of messages really need to stay. And this feature isn't good.  There's no point to it, and I think it's not being used correctly. Emily basically said everything I agree with. -- Posted by Rhapsody at 4:19 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Roy at 7:11 pm on June 29, 2006 Personally, I don't think that members are abusing the delete feature. That's the only eHelp I've ever voted to delete. I put serious thought into it too. However I agree, that if people do abuse it, then one of two things should happen.   1. The person shouldn't be a SL 2. The feature should be removed completely. Nah, I don't think the feature should be removed because of a bunch of twats that don't think before they act. This post targets no one specificially. -- Posted by Roy at 4:34 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Rhapsody at 7:19 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Roy at 7:11 pm on June 29, 2006 Personally, I don't think that members are abusing the delete feature. That's the only eHelp I've ever voted to delete. I put serious thought into it too.    However I agree, that if people do abuse it, then one of two things should happen.    1. The person shouldn't be a SL    2. The feature should be removed completely.  Nah, I don't think the feature should be removed because of a bunch of twats that don't think before they act. This post targets no one specificially. Except for the people who don't think before they act. I put serious thought into voting to delete that eHelp, it's the only one I voted for, and frankly, I wouldn't care if it was the last one. It just didn't seem appropriate for the eHelp in my eyes. -- Posted by 4est at 4:42 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from dovelove at 4:13 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from ixi at 6:51 pm on June 29, 2006 I don't think it's a good idea in the first place.  As someone else pointed out, nothing in there is REALLY an emergency.. actually, I agree with all of 4est's post.  When a truly bad comes along, and it's obviously spam, a mod can easily take care of it, but I've seen a few get deleted that really were fine.  I know members like to use it to remain anonymous, and the purpose of this website is to provide support... support that those members won't get unless they have a way to be unknown.  Those types of messages really need to stay.    And this feature isn't good.  There's no point to it, and I think it's not being used correctly. Emily basically said everything I agree with. And if Emily and Jon agree with me, its like basically the law. -- Posted by JudeLaurence at 4:47 pm on June 29, 2006 I totally agree with what ixi said. Rhapsody, I deleted that ehelp, actually.  Some SL's may have voted but I got to it first.  I agree that it and most other ehelps, even the less serious ones, should stay up, because it's a great tool not only for emergencies, but because people can use anonymously. In this case, however, the person had already made a thread about it. (Edited by DarkLink224 at 7:48 pm on June 29, 2006) -- Posted by Macropiper at 4:47 pm on June 29, 2006 If there is even a trace of uncertainty in your mind as to if a ehelp thing should be removed, then you probably shouldn't vote to remove it. -- Posted by dovelove at 4:54 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from 4est at 7:42 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from dovelove at 4:13 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from ixi at 6:51 pm on June 29, 2006 I don't think it's a good idea in the first place.  As someone else pointed out, nothing in there is REALLY an emergency.. actually, I agree with all of 4est's post.  When a truly bad comes along, and it's obviously spam, a mod can easily take care of it, but I've seen a few get deleted that really were fine.  I know members like to use it to remain anonymous, and the purpose of this website is to provide support... support that those members won't get unless they have a way to be unknown.  Those types of messages really need to stay.     And this feature isn't good.  There's no point to it, and I think it's not being used correctly.    Emily basically said everything I agree with. And if Emily and Jon agree with me, its like basically the law. Forrest, m'dear. I'm not Jon. Sorry to disappoint. And I really just don't like the idea of having SL's delete eHelps. I mean, honestly, I know it's supposed to help the mods out and stuff, but I'm pretty sure every single mod has eHelp enables. I'm positive if there is one that needs to be deleted, then we'll get to it pretty quickly. Also, if you know that an eHelp isn't serious enough to be in the eHelps, just don't reply to it. Chances are that it will be deleted. -- Posted by shh at 5:06 pm on June 29, 2006 I know this isn't what the entire topic is about, but I disagree with the deletion of that eHelp. It might not have been an emergency to the people who deleted it, but it was to the person who posted it. She wanted information, and it should have been given to her. Just because it may not be classified as an emergency in your books, doesn't mean that it's not. The eHelp system can also be used for people who would like to remain anonymous. I'm not sure whether or not that was but still. Before Support Leader's vote to delete it, think about it. People also use it to get better advice without people saying, "lolz i dunno." Support Leaders should be doing their job and instead of deleting something that deserves to be answered, answering it. I saw that David increased the number of votes needed to 4, which is an improvement, but I still think it should be more. It's very obvious that some people don't know whether or not something is legitimate. -- Posted by 4est at 5:07 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from dovelove at 4:54 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from 4est at 7:42 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from dovelove at 4:13 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from ixi at 6:51 pm on June 29, 2006 I don't think it's a good idea in the first place.  As someone else pointed out, nothing in there is REALLY an emergency.. actually, I agree with all of 4est's post.  When a truly bad comes along, and it's obviously spam, a mod can easily take care of it, but I've seen a few get deleted that really were fine.  I know members like to use it to remain anonymous, and the purpose of this website is to provide support... support that those members won't get unless they have a way to be unknown.  Those types of messages really need to stay.        And this feature isn't good.  There's no point to it, and I think it's not being used correctly.     Emily basically said everything I agree with.    And if Emily and Jon agree with me, its like basically the law. Forrest, m'dear. I'm not Jon. Sorry to disappoint. And I really just don't like the idea of having SL's delete eHelps. I mean, honestly, I know it's supposed to help the mods out and stuff, but I'm pretty sure every single mod has eHelp enables. I'm positive if there is one that needs to be deleted, then we'll get to it pretty quickly. Also, if you know that an eHelp isn't serious enough to be in the eHelps, just don't reply to it. Chances are that it will be deleted. Ahh, sorry. Blue name + Carrie Underwood avatar = confuzzlement. -- Posted by Rhapsody at 5:12 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from shh at 8:06 pm on June 29, 2006 I know this isn't what the entire topic is about, but I disagree with the deletion of that eHelp. It might not have been an emergency to the people who deleted it, but it was to the person who posted it. She wanted information, and it should have been given to her. Just because it may not be classified as an emergency in your books, doesn't mean that it's not. Precisely what I am getting at, what is not an emergency to you maybe to someone else. -- Posted by shh at 5:13 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Rhapsody at 5:12 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from shh at 8:06 pm on June 29, 2006 I know this isn't what the entire topic is about, but I disagree with the deletion of that eHelp. It might not have been an emergency to the people who deleted it, but it was to the person who posted it. She wanted information, and it should have been given to her. Just because it may not be classified as an emergency in your books, doesn't mean that it's not.    Precisely what I am getting at, what is not an emergency to you maybe to someone else. It might be a good idea that if someone votes to delete it to be able to disagree. I'm not sure what it's like at the moment, because I have the ability to just delete them. -- Posted by Rhapsody at 5:17 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from shh at 8:13 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Rhapsody at 5:12 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from shh at 8:06 pm on June 29, 2006 I know this isn't what the entire topic is about, but I disagree with the deletion of that eHelp. It might not have been an emergency to the people who deleted it, but it was to the person who posted it. She wanted information, and it should have been given to her. Just because it may not be classified as an emergency in your books, doesn't mean that it's not.         Precisely what I am getting at, what is not an emergency to you maybe to someone else. It might be a good idea that if someone votes to delete it to be able to disagree. I'm not sure what it's like at the moment, because I have the ability to just delete them. Yeah, the voting should be a little more like the one for denying members service. -- Posted by Roy at 5:18 pm on June 29, 2006 Quotes hate me. Making the Vote to Delete feature like denying service is a waste of unnecessary steps. Why get a bunch of SL's to vote to delete it, then wait for a mod to open their Mod control panel, or inbox, or whatever, then look at a page telling them that a few SL's voted to delete an eHelp, when they could just go to the eHelp, and delete it themselves without going through all that? (Edited by Roy at 8:23 pm on June 29, 2006) -- Posted by myhawtdrummer at 6:00 pm on June 29, 2006 I think the feature is pretty useful.. most people don't understand what eHelp really means.. maybe trying to let everyone on livewire know when they can/ should use it would help. We can give out some examples, etc. Most of the newbies rush to ehelp to get their questions answered rather than asking the entire livewire community first.. that would help. -- Posted by Rhapsody at 6:04 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Roy at 8:18 pm on June 29, 2006 Quotes hate me. Making the Vote to Delete feature like denying service is a waste of unnecessary steps. Why get a bunch of SL's to vote to delete it, then wait for a mod to open their Mod control panel, or inbox, or whatever, then look at a page telling them that a few SL's voted to delete an eHelp, when they could just go to the eHelp, and delete it themselves without going through all that? (Edited by Roy at 8:23 pm on June 29, 2006) Or remove the feature completely and replace it with a [Suggest to Remove] feature, which would be just like reporting a post, only it would be reporting an ehelp and let the mods deal with it from there. Or this feature should at least require one moderator to vote on it. -- Posted by shh at 6:08 pm on June 29, 2006 Quote: from Rhapsody at 6:04 pm on June 29, 2006  Or remove the feature completely and replace it with a [Suggest to Remove] feature, which would be just like reporting a post, only it would be reporting an ehelp and let the mods deal with it from there.   Or this feature should at least require one moderator to vote on it. Yes, I think that's a better idea. Moderators wouldn't need to vote, they can just delete it. (Edited by shh at 6:13 pm on June 29, 2006) -- Posted by leahbabea at 8:11 pm on June 29, 2006 I agree SL's shouldn't have the feature, i wont delete anymore unless it is just someone spamming because i look now and really like you said none of them are really emergencies..oh well we live and learn. I also think the rules about "deleting" if SL's are going to have this feature needs to be explained a lot better about when deleting is called for...cause i think it might end up being abused. And it kind of sucks when you write a big long message for ehelps and you press send and it says the ehelp has been deleted. eh:/, but i wont delete anymore like i said unless its spamming. --i agree with the idea " suggest for removal" thing, i think it's a great idea. (Edited by leahbabea at 8:16 pm on June 29, 2006) Pages: 1 2  Next