-- Posted by Briley 07 at 9:49 am on Sep. 30, 2007 http://www.golivewire.com/forums/ehelp-read-response-8225.html Check the bottom two replies. Ok so there's not much Information to work with but come on. I don't have anything against the two members and I know I'm not the best person in the world to answer eHelps too but please at least try. Also If you struggle on a topic why not leave it for a more experienced SL? Considering one of them has only 32 days active, what the hell was running through that mods mind? I guess the point of this is why post a reply which has literally got no help at all in it? Also I'm sure we have more members on the forums who could do better. /Rant. -- Posted by Khadgar at 9:51 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Woah briley. Woah. You just failed, man. Graustein is a fucking amazing member! -- Posted by Briley 07 at 9:53 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Quote: from Khadgar at 5:51 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Woah briley. Woah. You just failed, man.   Graustein is a fucking amazing member! Yeah I'm not saying isn't is amazing, I'm trying to say that how can you become an SL for that sort of advice? It looks like point whoring to me   -- Posted by Spice at 9:53 am on Sep. 30, 2007 If you see a member continually do it, then PM a Mod. Graustein is a good member, but that's not really a sufficient reply =\ -- Posted by Khadgar at 9:54 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Check it. The ehelp was only like, 2 lines. Does that merit an 8 page reply? This isn't a size thing, but... seriously. They only asked two simple questions. "What do I do?" & "Am i obsessive" Both were answerd, so what's the dealio? -- Posted by Cunning Stunt at 9:55 am on Sep. 30, 2007 I've always considered the "e" in "eHelp" to stand for "Emergency," so I can see why they didn't write a book. Also, I think we should reevaluate what belongs in eHelp. I don't think that belongs there. Remember Bubbles? Promoted to SL after 6 days active? Mods don't really care. -- Posted by Khadgar at 9:56 am on Sep. 30, 2007 I'd rather bag on the professional for being a copypasta. T'was a guest, but he puts in his usual "PM ME!" bit, which doesn't really fit. Failure, much? -- Posted by Briley 07 at 9:59 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Quote: from Khadgar at 5:54 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Check it. The ehelp was only like, 2 lines. Does that merit an 8 page reply? This isn't a size thing, but... seriously. They only asked two simple questions. "What do I do?" & "Am i obsessive" Both were answerd, so what's the dealio? But still 1/2 Lines the other SL's who posted in topic at least wrote a few more. -- Posted by Khadgar at 10:00 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Well, I see it as the same was as when the first reply to an ehelp is like, well written, and 8 paragraphs... it's intimidating. Does that mean a support leader should not still reply to it, even if it's significantly less than the previous helps? Nah. This is about the ehelped, not the ehelper. -- Posted by CmplctedCheerGrl at 10:02 am on Sep. 30, 2007 I remember when I got a message from David telling me exactly how to write an eHelp and everything it basically said: "Don't just answer and give advice on the eHelp, go into detail.  Give different answers for different situations for each eHelp." I don't know.   -- Posted by Spice at 10:05 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Quote: from motorhead at 5:55 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Remember Bubbles? Promoted to SL after 6 days active? Mods don't really care. 24hours. -- Posted by Khadgar at 10:06 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Ah well, I guess that's true. Support leaders are supposed to give higher quality responses than average. *shrug* -- Posted by hithere at 11:09 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Short eHelp replies ≠ Short SL app replies you have the basis of an argument but it's not really connecting. -- Posted by Periwinkle at 12:57 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 And it was Bubbly, not bubbles. -- Posted by dreamweaver at 1:05 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Briley does have a point though. I am personally not a fan of one lined answers to either posts on here or especially eHelps, no matter what the person typed in their eHelp.  It should be a well thought out answer and not something just typed out in 2 seconds flat. -- Posted by SwiftPainfulSparrow at 3:50 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 I don't see a reply from you in that eHelp.  If you're going to complain, at least complain about something you yourself can reply to. As for the replies?  Sure, they should be more in depth and far longer than one line, but I know that one of those support leaders is new to this game, and the other may just be a one-time thing.  I've had my eHelp replies where I felt that no more than a few sentences was needed - it depends on the situation.  If you have a problem with it, perhaps start a conversation with the SLs you have an issue with? Quote: from Khadgar at 12:56 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 I'd rather bag on the professional for being a copypasta. T'was a guest, but he puts in his usual "PM ME!" bit, which doesn't really fit. Failure, much? That irks me more than you can know, Jeff.  IRKSSSSS. -- Posted by The Professional at 4:01 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Jeff, No one has ever even mentioned it to me.  Believe it or not, I'm not perfect.  No one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes.  It had never even dawned on me.  It won't happen again.  Simple, huh? Edit: Actually, forget it.  I'm tired of constantly having to debate the freaking closing remark.  It was intended to encourage people to message me, or submit another eHelp.  Apparently, that's just terrible!  It won't be used again.  I wouldn't want to fail anymore than I already have in the eHelp system, or anything. -- Posted by dreamweaver at 4:21 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Wait... I thought we talked about that Pro and you fixed it? That was awhile ago, before I became a mod when we talked about that. *scratches head* -- Posted by The Professional at 4:38 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Dream, I remember talking to you about something regarding the closing statement, but it wasn't regarding guests. It doesn't matter.  People around here have such an issue with it, when all it was intended for was to open up communication.  It won't ever be used again.  As I said, I definitely don't want to be any more of a failure, of course. -- Posted by LilGuardchic86 at 5:10 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Firstly, I have only been a SL for two days now, so I am trying to get the hang of all of this.   Secondly, I felt my reply was pretty straight and to the point. But, next time I just wont reply if I have nothing but one line to say.   -- Posted by JennyColada at 10:09 pm on Sep. 30, 2007 Quote: from Khadgar at 9:54 am on Sep. 30, 2007 Check it. The ehelp was only like, 2 lines. Does that merit an 8 page reply? This isn't a size thing, but... seriously. They only asked two simple questions. "What do I do?" & "Am i obsessive" Both were answerd, so what's the dealio? Let me give you a few ways to elaborate to that reply: What are some commons signs that someone is attracted? If the advice is given "tell him how you feel", then how should she tell him? Maybe give tips on writing a letter, or what she could say? One could give advice that dreams =/= real life, but that they may give her something to think about. More questions could be asked on why she feels obsessive, and what it means to be obsessive. Just because something is two lines does not mean that that is not more to it. Just because someone may answer the questions (although that's great), that is not why someone is a Support Leader. People should be promoted to Support Leader because they are able to help in all forms, not just simply what is asked in black and white. There is a lot more to that eHelp reply that I saw than just those two questions, and there are tons of ways to elaborate and give more advice that may be useful, even when it is not expressly asked for. That is why we have chosen so many of you to be SLs, because you were leaders. Anyone can answer the questions with a "?" at the end, it takes special people to add on extra helpful advice, and those people are you. -- Posted by Khadgar at 8:26 pm on Oct. 1, 2007 Ah well, I wasn't trying to say that they were the best written replies in the universe, but they weren't like, unhelpful, right? Ah well, I'm confusing myself. Quality over quantity, I'll stick with that. -- Posted by barnabas at 6:47 am on Oct. 2, 2007 I agree that those replies are sparse.those SL's should be talked to about what the purpose is of E-help, but this bashing helps no one. Why are we attacking the professional?? this thread isnt about that. his replies are always amazing, and always helpful...leave the kid alone. -- Posted by amiee at 9:16 am on Oct. 2, 2007 i don't think it was really nice to have made a thread specifically about the support leaders... i imagine i'd feel really shit if i came in here and saw that it was my reply everyone was complaining about or whatever. i really don't think the support leader forum is here so we can pick at eachother and use certain SLs as examples and stuff. that's pretty shit. just thought i'd put that out there. edit: post needed a point. it now has one. -- Posted by Seanee at 5:36 am on Oct. 26, 2007 The only place where I would post a one-liner is if it was a topic about "Can I get pregnant" and what-not. -- Posted by ImSoHappy at 5:53 am on Oct. 26, 2007 I think the advice was fair enough, the guest asked whether they were obsessed and what they should do with this guy, and they told him. I would have elaborated a bit more though and said how to actually go about telling him rather than "take the plunge" -- Posted by Scui at 5:32 am on Nov. 7, 2007 Hey! I'm in that eHelp! And it's one of my bad replies as well... mmm, I love my Josh, but it does look a bit like point whoring to me. And I know he's capable of writing heaps as well - sometimes all you have to do is write one line and you'll get a long response. Maybe he just didn't know what to say and just wanted to put in his two cents? He's still a good SL. LilGuardchic usually makes short replies, but they're always pretty good. Maybe this topic was just a one off for both of them. -- Posted by Spasty at 8:14 am on Nov. 10, 2007 I agree that it was way too short... but this could have easily been solved with a quick PM. :/