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-- Posted by Anonymous at 7:35 am on June 9, 2008
People often put their hope and faith in science and science alone. Historically science has stuffed up and shown to be a bunch of theories that rely on assumptions. Every day they are getting challenged, and while basic premises remain widely accepted, more complex ones often create heated debate. here are some questions for science (or you to answer using science) Perhaps you dont know the answer, but if not what would it take for science to come up with the answer. 1. Where does life go when you die? One minute a person is alive their heart is beating, and the next they are dead, their body is still the same cells, but one thing is missing, the essence of life. 2. Why are we unique as human beings? One needs to only observe the world to say there is something remarkably different between human beings and every other species. Sure scientists can say that we are 99% biologically the same as chimps, but we are not chimps. Chimps dont start full scale wars, chimps dont write novels, chimps dont study at university etc... We havent found any other intelligent being anywhere else in the universe, and perhaps more significantly, they haven't found us. 3. Where did the first life come from? Science makes claims of evolution, but there had to be some life in order for that to work. Where did that life come from? Was it always there? If so how does that work and why?
-- Posted by somelikeitred at 7:39 am on June 9, 2008
Someone once said that aliens actually created human life because our DNA is just so complex and nearly perfect. I laughed at the idea and was frightened by how much this person actually meant it...
-- Posted by hi sarah at 7:39 am on June 9, 2008
i can answer the last one the first 2 would take me too much to write i watched this show about how earth and life was created its all chemistry and phsycis and shit something to do with carbon-14 i cant really remember but twas cool
-- Posted by Anonymous at 7:40 am on June 9, 2008
Quote: from roflfuckyou at 12:39 am on June 10, 2008
i can answer the last one l
well do it then!
-- Posted by bourney at 7:47 am on June 9, 2008
Quote: from roflfuckyou at 3:39 pm on June 9, 2008
i can answer the last one the first 2 would take me too much to write i watched this show about how earth and life was created its all chemistry and phsycis and shit something to do with carbon-14 i cant really remember but twas cool
no, please do answer the first two. Im waiting to see how it could take too long to write about, when your answer to the last one is "its all chemistry and phsycis and shit something to do with carbon-14 i cant really remember but twas cool" Whats the answer to the first two?
-- Posted by Moridin at 7:49 am on June 9, 2008
Let's take a look at this nonsense, shall we?
People often put their hope and faith in science and science alone.
No, there is no need to put your hope or faith in science, because science allows us to know that are positions are true. Faith is only arbitrary and meaningless speculation; science is knowledge. Knowledge beats arbitrary and meaningless speculation.
Historically science has stuffed up and shown to be a bunch of theories that rely on assumptions.
You mean that atomic theory of matter? The germ theory of disease that has cured millions and millions of people? The cell theory that has increased our knowledge about the smallest unit of life? The theory of evolution that has explained the diversity of life? The theory of relativity that underlies the GPS system? A scientific theory is not a guess it is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses. The success of these scientific theories justify any assumptions made.
Every day they are getting challenged, and while basic premises remain widely accepted, more complex ones often create heated debate.
That is nothing dangerous. That is how science works.
1. Where does life go when you die?
No, vitalism is false. There is nothing magical with organic matter as oppose to inorganic matter. Life is a self-sustaining chemical system that can undergo Darwinian evolution. A dead body is not self-sustaining any longer.
2. Why are we unique as human beings?
The only difference is our cultural bigotry and larger brains compared to body size. Chimps and dolphins are very intelligent beings as well.
3. Where did the first life come from?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html Epic fail.
-- Posted by Anonymous at 7:57 am on June 9, 2008
moridin you need to get your head out of the textbook and start observing real life. "vitalism is false" ok unsubstantiated claim "the only difference is cultural bigotry and larger brains" look at the world man, who is run by, dolphins or humans? Finally where did these simple chemicals come from?
-- Posted by Moridin at 8:10 am on June 9, 2008
I already gave evidence against vitalism, but I can give you more. Friedrich Wöhler synthesized urea from inorganic components in 1828, showing that there is no fundamental difference between organic and inorganic materials. They all consists of the natural occurring atoms. There is no fundamental distinction between the smallest constituents between you and a rock. The only difference is the combination. Again, we have a larger brain and a stronger cultural bigotry. The world is run by bacteria. Humans are easily killed by infectious diseases and pandemics kill in the tens of millions. There are around 5×10^30 bacteria on the planet and they are the largest kingdom on the planet. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/95/12/6578 The way you see humans as masters of the world is just a result of your cultural bigotry. The simple chemicals could be found on earth and also spread through meteor impacts in the early earth.
-- Posted by Anonymous at 8:17 am on June 9, 2008
bacteria cant have conversations bacteria cant build rocket ships bacteria cant log onto livewire bacteria cant react in one million possible different ways given a situation where did the simple chemicals come from originally though, how did they get on earth? I guess where I am going is what caused the first cause and where did the original matter come from
-- Posted by Moridin at 8:23 am on June 9, 2008
You are just looking at the issue through your skewed lens of cultural bias. Humans cannot become resistant to antibiotics. Humans cannot live in acidic environments in total darkness without oxygen over the boiling point of water. etc. You are simply digressing and moving the goal posts. There is no first cause. Newton's first law and quantum mechanics disproves it. "There are something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle parts. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero. The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero. Now twice zero is also zero. Thus the universe can double the amount of positive matter energy and also double the negative gravitational energy without violation of the conservation of energy." (Hawking, Brief History of Time)
-- Posted by MrIndigo at 10:28 pm on June 9, 2008
1. Where does life go when you die? It disappears. To the person dying, it is as if that he/she never existed. To that extent, it really doesn't matter if I die now or die 50-100 years later, when death happens, nothing would have mattered. Why then do we want to live? I believe that is an instinct. Creatures that do not have that instinct have long died out. 2. Why are we unique as human beings? Because of our unique experiences and our self-awareness (we are aware that we exist) 3. Where did the first life come from? By random chance. Random bondings between atoms * a trillion trillion + times will have a good probability of landing something useful.
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